Alex, for $1,000.00 I'll Take Angels

[Starise]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

If we are witnessing the convergence of everything prophetic in our time, I have some thoughts on the matter. It boils down to my hermeneutics and some speculation, and no doubt there will be twists and turns to my thinking.

This subject can no longer be classified and relegated as conspiracy or people with tin hats. I intend to associate it with “watch, therefore,” and do not be deceived (Matthew 24, FOUR times for emphasis). More people believe in evolution and the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life than in Jesus.

The bazaar statements from Pope Francis about baptizing ETs, the Vatican Observatory Research Group (VORG, not BORG), and their astrobiology research. Beg the question of what biology is there to study, so that you can obtain a Ph.D.? It is not science.

We humans are limited to the laws of physics, with our bodies and manufactured materials. No earthly material could withstand the forces observed and videoed of those UAPs. The physics of the sound barrier does not apply to these crafts.

They often have a radar signature and are visual, and sometimes, there is no reflected return. I speculate this phenomenon could be dimensional? I think these to be physical craft or beings as described in Ezekiel 1 and Revelation.

Plastered all over the news are the new hypersonic missiles. If these UAPS had anything to do with DARPA programs, they would be used in warfare, IMO. UFO sightings and pictures go back to ancient times. Thousands of military airmen in WW II witnessed Foo Fighters well before the sound barrier was broken. There is a recorded history of them that goes back millennia.

No other generation could have imagined how the coming Gog-Magog invasion of Israel could come about. Today we see all the players, their relationships-defense, treaties, economies, hatred and aggression, and the hook in the jaw to take a spoil of Israel.

I reason that, now that global governments officially affirm the existence of UFOS, they are not a figment of someone’s imagination; they have a significant end-time role to play? If we see how the Gog-Magog invasion aligns, could we see how one of these great deceptions that will deceive everyone (if possible) comes about? Witnessing the alignments and reasons for the Gog-Magog invasion shaping up before our own eyes, is that speculation or chance?

People across the globe are going to demand answers: I have often wondered, when tens of thousands of car crashes, planes fall from the sky, ships run aground, runaway trains, millions of people suddenly disappear. How will all of that be explained, conforming to the evolutionary theory that people will believe and accept? Advanced intelligent life here to save us?

When you hear government officials proclaim true Christianity is hate speech, divisive, non-inclusive, a basket of deplorables, getting labeled, and that we are the problem of the world's ills. It all starts to make sense to me.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

False Christs (plural), not THE Antichrist, saviors of the planet and our problems, knowledge, wisdom, and witchcraft will deceive the entire world, save the elect. It has not yet occurred in history. Is what we are seeing today the start of lying signs and wonders possibly? We have certainly been entertained and bombarded with the conditioning of their existence.

 

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Exo-Vaticana, Putnam & Horn, Pg. 175, en 272

You could  be correct on the ideas you have for convergence of these things. I see more focus on this than we once had. What was once more along the lines of sc fi is now coming out in bits and pieces of the main stream media. I see  stories prepared for the public in general, like the Navy tic tac sightings story. For anyone who has followed these kinds of things for awhile, that story was the low hanging fruit. I believe they know they have to feed it slowly over time to convince the public or get them conditioned. Conditioned for what and when?? I'm not in on their plans, but I see it in much that same way as the legalization of certain drugs that once would get a man in jail for possession of a few ounces of it. In some states you can go into a dispensary and pick your weed up. It took maybe 40 years for that attitude to develop using Hollywood and getting the public to accept it. Same with attitudes on sexual promiscuity. Over time views on it have changed with the gradual conditioning we get every day on TV.

I'm not sure exactly how the UFO thing will come into play. Some theories range from a fake alien invasion to our going to war with 'them'. To me a lot of this sounds like a comic book that went off the rails. They say truth is stranger than fiction. If we all really knew all of the truth I'm sure many of us would be in shock and what we thought we knew. We would all need to re arrange our marbles to think straight. I think the old saying, " Give em' and inch and they'll take a mile" holds true. "They" get so far and they want a little more.

No wonder society is unrecognizable from 40 years ago. Every step is another increment to the world according to Lucifer.

[Dennis1209]

4 hours ago, Ray12614 said:

Dennis: No, I never heard of Fatima and had to look it up online. Not surprising since I am not catholic. Evidently, it is the site of visitations of the virgin Mary and other odd miracles?

I suppose that people could get non-biblical beliefs from it that focus on the virgin Mary instead of Jesus etc.

Of course our God is a super natural God, and does do miracles today, but, any of those miracles/manifestations that subtract from the Lordship of Jesus must be viewed as demonic manifestations and not to be followed as an substitution for Jesus. 

Again thanks for the posting . . . very interesting . . . 

Ray . . . 

Books are published and videos are made on the original Fatima from eyewitness accounts and authentic documentation of the time. It is another topic the RCC has its fingerprints all over, and it is way too much to discuss, and no one denies something strange occurred.

Since that time, hundreds of thousands of people in several countries worldwide have seen in mass Mary aberrations with the promise of more to come.

Rather than narrate my thoughts, I’ll say it is pointing to Mary, the mother of Jesus, or something else rather than Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life.

Red Flag

[WilliamL]

On 3/21/2022 at 2:54 PM, Dennis1209 said:

Angels ... are never said to have wings.

Uh, pardon me, but the scriptures say otherwise, as any concordance would tell you. For example,

Ex. 25:20 “And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings..."

Is. 6:2 Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings...

Ezek. 1:6 Each one [of the cherubim] had four faces, and each one had four wings.

[Dennis1209]

15 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Uh, pardon me, but the scriptures say otherwise, as any concordance would tell you. For example,

Ex. 25:20 “And the cherubim shall stretch out their wings above, covering the mercy seat with their wings..."

Is. 6:2 Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings...

Ezek. 1:6 Each one [of the cherubim] had four faces, and each one had four wings.

Seraphim, Ophanim, and Cherubim are different classes of created beings with different functions, appearance, and job descriptions than ángelos. Angel, a messenger, is more of a function and job description than anything else. 

Zoon, kᵉrûwb, and ángelos are not the same created beings. Show me one verse in the Bible where H. malʾâk and G. ángelos have wings. 

[WilliamL]

9 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

 kᵉrûwb, and ángelos are not the same created beings.

That is a debatable subject.

Psalm 104:4 Who makes His angels spirits,
His ministers a flame of fire.

According to Hebraic tradition, the flaming heavenly beings here are seraphim, and the spirit/ruach beings here are cherubim. Either could act as an angel (= messenger) of God. That is, both are recorded in the Bible to have spoken with men on God's behalf.

[Ray12614]

17 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Books are published and videos are made on the original Fatima from eyewitness accounts and authentic documentation of the time. It is another topic the RCC has its fingerprints all over, and it is way too much to discuss, and no one denies something strange occurred.

Since that time, hundreds of thousands of people in several countries worldwide have seen in mass Mary aberrations with the promise of more to come.

Rather than narrate my thoughts, I’ll say it is pointing to Mary, the mother of Jesus, or something else rather than Jesus as the way, the truth, and the life.

Red Flag

Hummm . . . interesting . . .  I had a catholic colleague who I once asked about the catholic practice of 'praying to the virgin Mary'...

She said that Mary had special in-roads with Jesus and the Father, so it was permissible and good to pray to her so that she can use her influence to get prayers answered. Of course, she quoted some of the books from the apocrypha (not in the cannon of scripture) to prove her point, I don't remember which ones . . . she said that praying to Mary was like having special favors to get prayers answered.

I suppose that I am getting a little off topic, so I will stop here saying more about that. 

Back to your topic . . . I believe that the super-natural realm is as real as the world we live in because God (who is super-natural) created everything in the universe that we live in, and he created light, time, stars and planets, matter, all of what we see around us. Yes man has re-arranged a lot of it, but, it still is formed out of what God originally created in Genesis, right?  So, I don't have any issues with the super natural manifesting itself on occasions. I believe that we must discern 'what' the origin of what we observe is from; God or the devil . . .

Thanks for your dialog . . . Grace and Peace . . .  Ray . . . 

[Littlelambseativy]

The 4 living creatures are Angels who worship God day and night and have 6 wings. If the cherubim did not have wings why did God instruct that the cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant have wings. Until you see one yourself believe what is written in the Bible about all the ranks of angels would be my thought. To say they have no wings is false. They show themselves as one of us without wings so as not frighten us.

[Dennis1209]

2 hours ago, Littlelambseativy said:

The 4 living creatures are Angels who worship God day and night and have 6 wings. If the cherubim did not have wings why did God instruct that the cherubim on the Ark of the Covenant have wings. Until you see one yourself believe what is written in the Bible about all the ranks of angels would be my thought. To say they have no wings is false. They show themselves as one of us without wings so as not frighten us.

I won’t belabor the point other than to critique scripture. Cherubim, Seraphim, and angels cannot be the same based on the Hebrew and Greek wording, and the meaning and descriptions are given to them.

True, all are associated with the angelic family; generically, we could infer them as the heavenly host. An angel did not guard the way of the tree of life in the Garden of Eden, and cherubim are associated as guardians of sacred spaces.

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Two angels (mălʼâk - ángelos) are not on the Ark of the Covenant, Cherubims (kᵉrûwb – cheroubím) are.

Exodus 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

None are described as alike: Four faces, six wings, four wings. As I stated before, angels (ángelos), a specified order of created beings with a job function, mentioned in 283 verses of our Bible, are never said to have wings.   

[Your closest friendnt]

4 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I won’t belabor the point other than to critique scripture. Cherubim, Seraphim, and angels cannot be the same based on the Hebrew and Greek wording, and the meaning and descriptions are given to them.

True, all are associated with the angelic family; generically, we could infer them as the heavenly host. An angel did not guard the way of the tree of life in the Garden of Eden, and cherubim are associated as guardians of sacred spaces.

Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Two angels (mălʼâk - ángelos) are not on the Ark of the Covenant, Cherubims (kᵉrûwb – cheroubím) are.

Exodus 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.

None are described as alike: Four faces, six wings, four wings. As I stated before, angels (ángelos), a specified order of created beings with a job function, mentioned in 283 verses of our Bible, are never said to have wings.   

Food for thought, and study. 

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Dennis

 Right now Im tired & want to sign off but Im really glad I saw this and will join you tomorrow to talk about angels & the different types of angels there arev. Sounds fun & interesting, as your Topics usually are!