Interesting passage gives insights into Predestination and Foreknowledge

[Justin Adams]

5 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Hey Bro, have you been hiding?

 haven’t  seen you in ages?....🙏💗🙏💗

I have been keeping up with the "Pray for brothers and sisters in Ukraine"

[Alive]

2 hours ago, B-B said:

Hey... 😀

I didn't get 'lost'. But I'm sorry to hear that you did. Handy hint: I sometimes have to read articles/studies/papers etc a second and third time to fully grasp the meaning/get understanding. Hope this helps you! 

(Please try to avoid coming across as rather patronising).

God bless 

PS - please be aware, that I do not post What I post for those who are already sure of themselves, and their interpretation of Scripture, but for other folks like me, who are still learning/coming to grips with this topic.

Thanks, BB.

All ofthat has been posted here, but whoever wrote that did a good job.

For those that look for some goodness and morality in fallen man that makes a reach across the void created by total depravity possible…I always mention that morality or effort is impotent ‘Godward’. It cannot be effectual Godward, therefore God must make that first step for man. Grace.

[enoob57]

Obviously the statement above is not supported by Scripture

Matthew 23:37 (KJV)

[37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Where is the first step here? God would gather them but they would not... when one knows the Scriptures calvinism is false doctrine and we must confront that which is false... Grace is God providing the means by which all men, who are sinners, can be redeemed and made not sinners...

[B-B]

17 minutes ago, Alive said:

but whoever wrote that did a good job.

😀 yes, I found the article very informative, and defended with much Scripture.

[enoob57]

6 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Can you please interpret what that scripture you have posted ,is saying ?

I did in the post... Alive is saying the first move responsibility is on God and clearly God is saying it is on man to respond to Him... man is response able:
John 20:31 (KJV)

[31] But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[Alive]

I posted a bunch of scriptures on page 40….some folks may have missed it.

[enoob57]

Just now, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

It does say in scripture that, no one can come to the Son unless the Father draws them..

Can you explain what that means?

It also says in Scripture 
John 12:31 (KJV)

[31] Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

[32] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

[33] This he said, signifying what death he should die.

was Christ lifted up on the cross? Are all men drawn?

All Christians believe we are dead spiritually but nowhere in Scripture does that mean we cannot respond to God's Word to be reconciled to God .... Man may respond now when it counts or will in death when it does not count

Philippians 2:10 (KJV)

[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

[11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Mike Mclees]

The scripture when jesus asked the disciples " who do you say I am. Peter answered "thou art the Christ the Son of the living God". Jesus Said It was His Father who gave that to him.

He was enlightened by the Father

Edited April 26, 2022 by Mike Mclees

[angels4u]

What is Salvation ?

Salvation is deliverance from danger or suffering. To save is to deliver or protect. The word carries the idea of victory, health, or preservation. Sometimes, the Bible uses the words saved or salvation to refer to temporal, physical deliverance, such as Paul’s deliverance from prison (Philippians 1:19).
 

More often, the word “salvation” concerns an eternal, spiritual deliverance. When Paul told the Philippian jailer what he must do to be saved, he was referring to the jailer’s eternal destiny (Acts 16:30-31). Jesus equated being saved with entering the kingdom of God (Matthew 19:24-25).

What are we saved from? In the Christian doctrine of salvation, we are saved from “wrath,” that is, from God’s judgment of sin (Romans 5:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:9). Our sin has separated us from God, and the consequence of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Biblical salvation refers to our deliverance from the consequence of sin and therefore involves the removal of sin.

Who does the saving? Only God can remove sin and deliver us from sin’s penalty (2 Timothy 1:9; Titus 3:5).

How does God save? In the Christian doctrine of salvation, God has rescued us through Christ (John 3:17). Specifically, it was Jesus’ death on the cross and subsequent resurrection that achieved our salvation (Romans 5:10; Ephesians 1:7). Scripture is clear that salvation is the gracious, undeserved gift of God (Ephesians 2:5, 8) and is only available through faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 4:12).

How do we receive salvation? We are saved by faith. First, we must hear the gospel—the good news of Jesus’ death and resurrection (Ephesians 1:13). Then, we must believe—fully trust the Lord Jesus (Romans 1:16). This involves repentance, a changing of mind about sin and Christ (Acts 3:19), and calling on the name of the Lord (Romans 10:9-10, 13).

A definition of the Christian doctrine of salvation would be “The deliverance, by the grace of God, from eternal punishment for sin which is granted to those who accept by faith God’s conditions of repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus.” Salvation is available in Jesus alone (John 14:6; Acts 4:12) and is dependent on God alone for provision, assurance, and security.(gotquestions.com

[enoob57]

7 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

Here it is again....maybe enoob can explain and interpret it for us, if that’s ok?

All these verses are saying man is dead spiritually and every child at accountability will sin... as they live they will increase in their sin till they have filled their vessel with sin and God will give them over to that filling...

Romans 1:16 (KJV)

[16] For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

[17] For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

[19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

You see total depravity is not taught here but the progression of depravity to the point God gives them over to their sin and His Word no longer has place within them
[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

This verse above 'alone' debunks' total depravity as the Calvinist teach it...