Who is Resurrected, and When?

[Diaste]

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Since that is the world we are resurrected to, that is the exact time of all the when's....or am I missing something?

For the 4 decades+ I have been learning about the 2nd advent I always heard mainstream thought say all believers will be resurrected in the 1st resurrection and live and reign with Christ for 1000 years. 

Rev 20:4 says the beheaded and the overcomers of the beast will come to life and live and reign with Christ for 1000 years.

Do all come to life and live and reign with Christ for 1000 years or, do only the beheaded and overcomers come to life and live and reign with Christ for 1000 years?

That's the 'Who?' question.

The 'When?' question is 'Which resurrection?' The 1st or the 2nd?

Are all believers resurrected in the 1st resurrection or the 2nd?

 

 

[Diaste]

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

So,

I KEEP ASKING FOR ANYONE FROM ANYWHERE OF ANY FAITH OR BELIEF TO SHOW WHEN THE NEVER DIE 

1. rise up WITHOUT A BODY
2. return WITHOUT A BODY
3. DIE AND BECOME ONE OF THE DEAD to reunite with a carcass, to resurrect again and 
4.  How a dead body that MAKES ONE UNCLEAN JUST BY TOUCHING IT can become a resurrected glorified body

Start a discussion in another thread. It's seems the above doesn't accept a resurrection of the dead. 

This discussion presupposes 2 resurrections 1000 years apart...resurrections of the dead. You could start a discussion "Are We Resurrected?" "Is the Resurrection Real?" "Do We Never Die?" or some such title. 

That's not the topic here.

[Diaste]

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

so either SOMEONE has got to prove what I put forth AS INCORRECT

That's not how it works. A positive assertion must be supported by the one making the assertion. Burden of proof is on you for this one. Saying, "I said it, now prove me wrong." is logically fallacious.

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

which so far ONLY comes with I am confused and don't put forth scripture for what I believe WHILE all I do is put forth Scripture and just don't agree, or PROVING what is being put forth IS WRITTEN. 

Is that the goal? To get people to agree? Good luck with that. Jesus never found widespread agreement and was in fact abandoned by the people that did agree with Him. 

I wish you the best in this.

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

So, I ask again, where can I find the answers to the points put for above?  

In another discussion under any topic other than "Who is Resurrected, and When?"

 

 

 

 

[Diaste]

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

As for believers, 
Jesus died and rose, even so them.  So all 'believers' have already resurrected, just like those who will be beheaded or killed during the hour of temptation. 

You saying it is not evidence. Since this does become a 'When?' question pertinent to the 2nd resurrection, GWT, sheep and goats judgement...

John 6:39

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54

Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24

Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Clearly there is a resurrection of believers in Jesus Christ AT THE LAST DAY.

When is that last day? After the 1000 years. 

I don't know how any one could think believers never die and are never resurrected when Jesus speaks abundantly about a  last day resurrection of those He will never lose, a resurrection to everlasting life.

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The last 2 to be 'resurrected' will be the two witnesses.  And we know all believers were resurrected before them by
"that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep, and they are changed/transformed BUT not raised from the dead.

We also know the graves were opened for believers 2000 years ago by what is written "and the graves were opened"

We also know that believers have followed Him because HE PRAYED that they would be with Him where He was, and He is in heaven, so believers must be in heaven with the GOD OF THE LIVING AND NOT THE DEAD.

You are misconstruing scripture to fit a personal perception.

[Diaste]

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

We know believers went to heaven in a spiritual body because that too, is what is written

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

You assume this means immediately upon the expiration of the flesh. Prove it with scripture. This is all 'sown' and 'raised'; the fact of it, an overview, a principal, the order, and not timing, nor exactly "When?"

A farmer plants seeds then must wait for months till the harvest. You are thinking when the seed is sown it's immediately harvested. 

This is not the case.

 

19 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

those saved from death and destruction don't follow Him but will wait for their resurrection and will be raised from death and destruction at the 2nd Advent, just like the unsaved.

where He went and how He went will never be followed by anyone. 

Sarcasm?

[Retrobyter]

On 2/14/2023 at 6:03 AM, Diaste said:

It's clear this is a deeds based Judgment. Just like in Rev 20.

And there were open books, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.

I mean, I read 'deeds' here and I don't even have to twist anything to find the idea.

Perhaps you should start believing.

That seems odd, doesn't it? We are resurrected and taken off the earth, transformed, meet the Lord in the air, to be forever with the Lord, but this same group then is judged because there are goats among the sheep?

Remember your position here that it's all believers from all time that are taken at the 1st resurrection. There are no goats in that resurrection. 

Doesn't make sense according to the evidence.

It can't be thus. That means one resurrection is pretrib, one is some undetermined time between the pretrib resurrection and the 2nd resurrection, and then yet another after the 1000 years. 

Do you have any evidence for this or is solely speculation?

You did say, "Rather, this judgment will occur soon after Christ's Second Advent, at the time of the beginning of His thousand year reign."

But now the sheep are the ones after the 1000 years? So you add a resurrection and a judgement. Any evidence?

 

Nice story. Still doesn't deal with the immutable fact;

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."

"They" being the beheaded and overcomers. Not all from all time. 

 

Shalom, Diaste.

There is no argument against there being judgments based upon works. HOWEVER, that which determines whether one is "born again" or a true "son of God" is not based upon works. That is decided by one's humility to God and how God chooses to respond to that humility. One is "born again" and becomes a true "son of God" when he or she says what the publican says to God in Yeeshuwa`s parable of Luke 18:

Luke 18:9-14 (KJV)

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 

10 "Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself,

"'God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.'

13 "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying,

"'God be merciful to me a sinner.'

14 "I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."

Paul spoke of this justification in 2 Corinthians 5:

2 Corinthians 5:17-21 (KJV)

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ (who has Himself exchanged places with us through Yeeshuwa` the Messiah), and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation (of exchanging places); 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself (Himself exchanging places with the world), not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation (the message about exchanging places).

20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God (exchange places with God). 21 For he (God) hath made him (Christ) to be sin for us, who (Christ) knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him (in Christ).

[THAT'S "the Great Exchange!" Christ became "our sin"; we become "Christ's righteousness" (or rather "GOD'S righteousness" in the Christ.]

This separates the total population into two groups: those who belong to the Messiah because they are TRUE "children of God," trusting God to justify them, and those who trust to their own merits to justify themselves.

AFTER THIS, there are judgments based upon merits that will further determine their positions. The Great White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20 is one such judgment, and there will be a judgment by the Messiah at the beginning of His Kingdom for those who have been faithful to God and rewards are given to those who have been faithful.

There is also another judgment that LOOKS like these which will also be based upon merits - to a degree: the judgment of the sheep and the goats, which also happens soon after the Messiah's Coming. However, this judgment is a WAR TRIBUNAL! It is based on how well "one has treated the Messiah's brethren," and I believe that the "brethren" here is primarily the children of Israel, particularly the Jews, but also includes those of other nations who have accepted that Yeeshuwa` is the Messiah of God, the Son of God, who will reign from Jerusalem for a thousand years.

THIS judgment, however, is not an individual judgment, but is a judgment upon the NATIONS. The NATIONS who fought against God's people in the war for the Middle East are the "goats"; the NATIONS who fought on the side of God's people are the "sheep!" Their allegiance is based upon a GENERAL ACCEPTANCE AND LOVE FOR the children of Israel and their allies, or a GENERAL REJECTION AND HATRED FOR the children of Israel (and their allies). The question is, "How did they treat the Messiah's brethren?" This separation determines who will become vassal states to the Messiah's Kingdom, and who will be left out of His Kingdom, and their individuals will have to fend for themselves.

THESE nations outside of His Kingdom will be those who must be subdued by the Messiah throughout the Millennium. (See 1 Corinthians 15:20-28.) Some will peacefully "come around" and accept the Messiah as their Emperor. Some must be violently FORCED into submission with a "rod of iron!" These will enter His Empire "kicking and screaming," so to speak, but they SHALL submit to the Messiah and call Him their "Master," for "EVERY knee shall bow" to "the King of kings and Lord of lords!"

Isaiah 45:14-25 (KJV)

14 Thus saith the LORD,

"The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying,

"'Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God. 15 Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.'

16 "They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols."

17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. 18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited:

"I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, 'Seek ye me' in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right!

20"Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.

21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

22 "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

24 "Surely, shall one say, 'in the LORD have I righteousness and strength': even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.

25 "In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory."

It's rather ironic to me in a sense, but the New Living Translation is the one version I found who has the best translation of the quote in Romans 14!

Romans 14:10-11 (NLT)

10 So why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 For the Scriptures say, 

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the LORD, ‘every knee will bend to me, and every tongue will declare allegiance to God.’”

One must remember that the Messiah Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") will not be reigning alone! He will be reigning on behalf of His Father!

When David and Shlomoh ("Solomon") were reigning, and always checking with YHWH God first for their choices and judgments, they too were "on the same page" with God the Father.

The Messiah shall also be constantly "in prayer," always being "on the same page," with His Father about HIS decisions, just as He was in the habit of doing during His First Advent! The "Messiah" is God's "ANOINTED One!" God's "CHOICE" for Israel's King!

[WilliamL]

17 hours ago, Uriah said:

17 hours ago, WilliamL said:

There will be at least two, the Millennial Age and the New Jerusalem age.

The latter will consist of three separate millennial ages, according to Moshe Chaim Luzzatto.

Any bible verses?

Ages past:

Col. 1:26 the mystery which has been hidden from the ages and from the generations, but has now been revealed to his saints.

Ages future: 

Eph. 2:7 that in the ages to come he might show the riches of his grace...

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

"And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."

These aren't believers? They can't come to life if they are not dead.

  That is how what was written was translated but isn't what is written. 

JESUS SAID YOU WOULD NEVER DIE.  That is the ONLY foundation you can build upon when it comes to what happens to who (or whom?) 

ANYTHING AND ANYONE saying ANYTHING DIFFERENT isn't of GOD.  Pure and simple.  IF THAT can be changed then WE CAN DEPEND UPON NOTHING in the words of God.  


And I saw thrones and they sat upon them and judgment was given to them and the souls of those having been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word  of God and those who not did worship the beast nor the image of him and not did take the mark upon the forehead and upon the hand of them.  And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years


 2198. zaó ►
Strong's Concordance
zaó: to live
Original Word: ζάω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: zaó
Phonetic Spelling: (dzah'-o)
Definition: to live
Usage: I live, am alive.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 2198 záō – to live, experience God's gift of life. See 2222 (zōē).

Does that end at the death of body number 1?  It CANT Jesus said NEVER DIE and so never die is what WE BELIEVE, no matter what.  


So it is IMPOSSIBLE to 'come to life' having ALREADY come to life.  (with exceptions, NOT ON HIS END but on ours before the 1st death)


BUT what you are proposing is WE DO DIE and so will 'come to life'

rather than as Jesus said WE NEVER DIE, so CONTINUE on living.  

 

 
 The gift of Salvation is to AVOID death and destruction. 

meaning GODS PEOPLE GO TO GOD

SO THAT the DEVIL, death, the grave, NEVER GETS A HOLD OF THEM, not for even a second.  

THAT was the problem WITH THE LAW.  IF the 'flesh' had been stronger, the LAW would have prevented GODS PEOPLE from going to hell.  BUT WE are weak and can't fight against the desires of the flesh with ONLY OUR OWN WILL.  Knowledge and wisdom just wasn't enough.  So, almost EVERYONE died in one kind of a sin or the other.  GOD DIDN'T LIKE THAT.  So, GOD GOT RID OF THAT LOOPHOLE by coming and DYING HIMSELF to EFFECT a CHANGE, to make it so those who LOVE HIM even though they mess up sometimes, can get back to RIGHT with Him as the change of heart comes about aka repentance and enter into a 'covenant' of sorts that covers that problem even upon death of the first body.  

but

Mans words have come up with we DO DIE and have to COME BACK TO LIFE AGAIN,   I not yelling just trying to make a points that I find are darn near impossible to make.  



So, those who ARE CONTINUING ON WITH THEIR LIFE,  ARE RETURNING with Christ having followed Him or they were those who were alive and remaining and who were changed, BUT THEY NEVER DIED and so NEVER CAME back to life.  

Also, the alive and remaining are changed, so EVEN their flesh body doesn't die, they are just transformed, so they wouldn't be 'coming to life' would they?



body one MORTAL

body two EITHER mortal or immortal


BODY ONE MORTAL - this realm

body one BLOOD is the life of, we are born into it, when it dies, it quickens our 2nd body and 'we' our spirit/soul is moved, transferred, given, grown, (IDK how but suspect it is alot like the alive and remaining are changed), into body two and body one goes back to the dust from whence it came, never to be USED ever again. Not by the saved nor the unsaved.  It is a one and done for everyone. 


BODY TWO comes in 2 sizes either IMMORTAL OR MORTAL


1st resurrection is an IMMORTAL RESURRECTION that comes at and from the death of body one because we NEVER DIE (immortal).  We receive an incorruptible body,  that depends upon the SEED 'this body of life' produced. 

Again, we are raised up FROM BODY ONE, at the death of it, because WE FOLLOW HIM.  No 'detours'.  No stopping in hell for a bit, no returning to hell for anything, ever. 


MORTAL RESURRECTION OF THE SPIRITUAL BODY (not of the 1st type of resurrection)

IS different 

because they don't rise up from the body at death at all but 

but they descend into hell, 

THE PLACE of the DEAD,

and have to remain in bondage, a captive of hell, death, the grave, the corruption,

STUCK THERE until CHRIST returns.  



2nd resurrection is of the MORTAL SPIRITUAL BODY AND is for those WHO DO DIE. 

Those who have NOT received immortality BEFORE 1st death.

These NEVER CAME TO FAITH.  These are the UNSAVED, UNBELIEVERS.  These will 'come back to living' but not to immortality. 

When their body dies they GO TO HELL.  Their SPIRITUAL BODY SEES CORRUPTION by having to remain in bondage to death and hell in the grave.  The corruption is of their spiritual body, as their natural body, like ALL bodies just goes back to the dust of the earth never to be 'raised up again'.

They have to WAIT for Christ to return to be RESURRECTED from the corruption, hell, death.  

EVEN WHEN they are resurrected from the corruption IN THEIR SPIRITUAL BODY THEY STILL REMAIN MORTAL because they face 2nd death in the LOF.  THEY come back to life in the way of they are released from the grave, SO THAT THEY MAY DO WORKS, SO THAT they might get their names put in the book of life and avoid the 2nd death.  

IT IS ONLY at the GWTJ that those who were raised from the corruption aka THE DEAD, might go from being THE DEAD to one of the NEVER DIE AGAIN at what would be the 2nd resurrection of souls to life, 

if their WORKS get their name in the book of life.  

because if not, they go into the LOF, the 2nd death which is of both body NUMBER 2 and the soul.

Have no doubt, GOD can kill an incorruptible body, even though MAN CAN'T.  


 

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

For the 4 decades+ I have been learning about the 2nd advent I always heard mainstream thought say all believers will be resurrected in the 1st resurrection and live and reign with Christ for 1000 years. 

I do not know what the 'mainstream' have taught, EVER.  Most likely I know LESS than anyone you will ever meet.  I learned the words of God by one person who never mentioned them and I NEVER have done any sort of 'seeking' into them.  

BECAUSE I have a terrible memory, I KEPT myself from ALL OTHER words so that I could be sure where what I knew came from.  

UP UNTIL I started coming to these forums I would say I didn't even have a 5% bit of knowledge of any of the religions of the world.  

So, ALL I know is what I have received from what is written.  Maybe that is why it is so easy for me to see when something is from 'what is written' and when something is not.  

So telling me what everyone else has done has no meaning to me.  How long it has been done doesn't matter either.  I firmly believe that GOD shows each generation what THAT PARTICULAR generation needs to know.  I have EXPERIENCED and continue to experience that UNTIL GOD opens my eyes to a truth, I can read the same thing 100 times and it doesn't even flick a single brain cell, but once God does give it, I can't understand how I didn't see it before as it is so simple it seems impossible to have missed it. 

This generation has SEEN things come to pass that no others have seen.  We have seen prophecies over 2000 years old come to pass.  We witness everyday how knowledge is being opened up.  We can do in an hour what would have taken a week, a month or a year to do.  So, I don't let what HAS BEEN known TELL ME what will be known, I leave that to the Holy Spirit.  

That is why I constantly go back to what is written over what has been known or taught.  I don't know them and I don't care because the books that they were told would be opened up in the end are being opened and the wisdom and knowledge that WE NEED is ALSO coming to light and it is completely different.  GONE are the days of just 'believe' Jesus saves and now are the days of what WHAT YOU NEED TO ENDURE.   But everyone is too scared to look stupid.  No one is able to EXPAND in knowledge because of the DOCTRINES that have been put in place that all have WALLS that preventing it.  No one seems to take into consideration 'the mystery of iniquity doth already work' WAS TOLD US 2000 years ago.  WHERE do you think that 'INIQUITY' works hardest?   In the words of God. 

So, it is UP TO US to get rid of all the things NOT WRITTEN and put in place the things that are because THAT is our only hope.  



NOT with EITHER 'pre trib' or 'last day' resurrection eyes,

but EVERY MAN in his own order EYES....

33For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

35Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;

36And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

37Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

38And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

39And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

40Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

41Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?

42And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?

43Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

44Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

45But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

49I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

50But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

51Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

53The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

54And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.

55And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass.

56Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

57Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?

58When thou goest with thine adversary to the magistrate, as thou art in the way, give diligence that thou mayest be delivered from him; lest he hale thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and the officer cast thee into prison.

59I tell thee, thou shalt not depart thence, till thou hast paid the very last mite. Lk 12

Because WE FOLLOW HIM because we were born again, and never die, and know the WAY...

while they WAIT for Him to RETURN, in bondage to death, for they have no life, or truth or knowledge. 


BUT for 1000 years that follow that RETURN those DEAD who will rise up, THEY WILL be taught, as Christ will rule with a rod of iron and we will rule and reign with Him, and hopefully THEY WILL acquire TRUTH, and come to love the LORD GOD, just like we do.  


So, what do you think would be the WISE MOVE to do with the saved? 

Put everyone to sleep and wake them up at the same time no wiser than they were at the death of their flesh, not knowing anything more than the 'generation' in which they lived

or

gather everyone as they became available and use that time to TEACH THEM so when you sent them back to rule and reign, they all KNEW what they were doing?

Just saying....it isn't about the WORDS it is about the REALITY.  



 

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

Start a discussion in another thread. It's seems the above doesn't accept a resurrection of the dead. 

This discussion presupposes 2 resurrections 1000 years apart...resurrections of the dead. You could start a discussion "Are We Resurrected?" "Is the Resurrection Real?" "Do We Never Die?" or some such title. 

That's not the topic here.

As soon as I address todays questions I will end any discussion in this thread knowing I have stood upon the wall.