Who is Resurrected, and When?

[truth7t7]

44 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Yes.  If I do, will you believe them?  

1 and 2 

1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

AND THEN CHRIST SAT DOWN SAYING 'TODAY' THOSE THINGS WOULD BE FULFILLED, AND THEY WERE


BUT WHERE HE STOPPED READING WAS

and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

4And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

5And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.

6But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

7For your shame ye shall have double; and for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.

8For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

9And their seed shall be known among the Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath blessed.

10I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

11For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.

 
 

Luke 17:29-30KJV

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

I CERTAINLY will never stand as firmly as you do on anything because what I am given is always growing...and that means change.   

Malachi 3:6KJV

6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Hebrews 13:8KJV

8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[farouk]

12 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Malachi 3:6KJV

6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Hebrews 13:8KJV

8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

@truth7t7 Malachi there is a lovely little prophecy......

[Retrobyter]

7 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

Just 2 comments. 

You continue to work from the premise that God has to be (omni)present to be omniscient.   The scriptures you provide are a great support for the omniscience and omnipotence of God.   But they do little to support the omnipresence of God.   Let me say it again.   How does God know your thoughts?  Does he see them?  Does he hear them?   

Shalom, Da Puppers.

Consider this scenario: Suppose God, being all knowing, realizes that something is going wrong in another galaxy far away, and He is NOT there to fix it. What happens?

God has either created all of the Universe, or He has not. If He has not, then WHO DID?! If He has, then if He is not omnipresent, there who has He left to manage it? Angels?

IF God is not omnipresent, then HOW IS HE GOD?! Furthermore, let me ask a personal question: Why do you need Him to be otherwise? How is it that you think He ISN'T omnipresent?

HaSatan is NOT omnipresent. He is a limited creature - a created being. He NEEDS his minions to keep him informed, and he needs their help to make him SEEM omnipotent! He and his cohorts GANG UP on people!

Does God really work the same way?

Contrary to Eastern philosophy, there's no such thing as a yin-yang principle. Satan and his demons are NOT the antithesis to God and His angels! And, they CERTAINLY are not on the same level, as a positive force that cancels out a negative force!

Furthermore, at NO TIME is God's Plan for the Universe in jeopardy! He doesn't just "know" the future; "He DECLARES the end from the beginning!"

As you answer these questions, you will reveal how big your God is, according to your opinion.

7 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

You acknowledge the context of Matt 16:1-4 that the Pharisees were contextually using heaven to represent "from God".  But then turn around and delegitimize their etymological reference to the abode of God in heaven (by what Jesus said).  But therein lies your error.   Jesus acknowledged/referenced two kinds of signs... signs of the sky and signs of the times; with signs of the times equating to the sign from heaven.   Jesus further acknowledged their request for a sign from heaven by saying that they would [only] be given the sign of Jonas.   Unbelievers seek for signs, but get nothing.   Believers receive signs from God, even tho they seek not proof from God.   The [unbelieving] world will be given the sign of Jesus being 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth. 

Be Blessed 

The PuP 

Well, actually, the signs were already there. All they had to do was READ THEM! HONESTLY! But, when they read them, they read PAST them! They IGNORED them, especially when the signs spoke of this person among them who called Himself "the Son of man." He would tell them DIRECTLY that He was the Messiah of God, and they would try to find ways to prove that couldn't be true! Why give them another sign that they would again choose to IGNORE or VIOLENTLY PROTEST?!

The sign of Jonas was given to them, namely,

Matthew 12:38-41 (KJV)

38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying,

"Master, we would see a sign from thee."

39 But he answered and said unto them,

"An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here!"

And, what was their response after His death?

Matthew 27:62-66 (KJV)

62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, 63 Saying,

"Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, 'After three days I will rise again.' 64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, 'He is risen from the dead ': so the last error shall be worse than the first!"

65 Pilate said unto them,

"Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can."

66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.

They didn't just ignore the sign; they actively worked AGAINST it being fulfilled! Providentially, HE AROSE ANYWAY! They wouldn't have known what to do if they had been confronted, like Peter, James, and John were on the mount of Transfiguration! They would have been babbling worse than Peter did!

I just know that we don't go to "heaven"; the New Jerusalem, which has all the traits of what most call "Heaven," will COME HERE, after the New Earth has been made from the old.

[truth7t7]

8 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

Just 2 comments. 

You continue to work from the premise that God has to be (omni)present to be omniscient.   The scriptures you provide are a great support for the omniscience and omnipotence of God.   But they do little to support the omnipresence of God.   Let me say it again.   How does God know your thoughts?  Does he see them?  Does he hear them?   

You acknowledge the context of Matt 16:1-4 that the Pharisees were contextually using heaven to represent "from God".  But then turn around and deligitimize their etymological reference to the abode of God in heaven (by what Jesus said).  But therein lies your error.   Jesus acknowledged/referenced two kinds of signs... signs of the sky and signs of the times; with signs of the times equating to the sign from heaven.   Jesus further acknowledged their request for a sign from heaven by saying that they would [only] be given the sign of Jonas.   Unbelievers seek for signs, but get nothing.   Believers receive signs from God, even tho they seek not proof from God.   The [unbelieving] world will be given the sign of Jesus being 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth. 

Be Blessed 

The PuP 

 

Is it your position God "isn't" omnipresent?

Edited February 27, 2023 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Da Puppers said:

Omniscient, yes

Omnipresent,  no.

God created everything, your claim is out of the window

Psalm 139:8KJV

8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

[Diaste]

15 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Zechariah 14 is the eternal kingdom in the New Heaven and earth

Zechariah 14:8 the river of life is flowing

Maybe. Not really how Zech 14 reads. 

It's more like an overview of Jesus return as the Conquering King to the rule of Jesus, the Benevolent King. 

It's like, the word heaven doesn't even appear in Zech 14. Things like, winter, summer, days and years; place locations on earth like mountains and seas, cites, nations, etc., do appear. Almost like the location of Zech 14 is on earth. 

Weird.

[Diaste]

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Oh my GOD HOW BORING, the same exact thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....

just going to ignore again for a couple more months...

[Diaste]

@truth7t7 @Retrobyter @Da Puppers 

I have had this fascinating conversation before. It is truly interesting to delve into the nature of our Father's existence and His extreme power and intellect.

I even started one a while back.

 

[Diaste]

14 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

And there's the rub.  He CAN'T show from Scripture anything he claims.  Because Scripture doesn't say what he claims.

Fascinating.