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      Is it the literal blood of Christ which saves us ? Or the life of Christ which died that saves us? In the old testament it says the soul that's sins shall die. If Christ did not die but did pour a lot of his blood out of his body would his blood save us ? For sure it's the death of Christ that brings salvation. The blood is part of it.

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1 minute ago, Wayne222 said:

      Is it the literal blood of Christ which saves us ? 

We are cleansed in the Precious Blood of Jesus, even one drop. His blood was presented on the alter for us. He paid the price for us. We throw our crowns at His feet because we realize there is nothing we can do to save ourselves. Yet we are still rewarded. 

Psalm 51:2
Wash me clean of my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin.

Hebrews 9:14

How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!


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1 hour ago, Wayne222 said:

      Is it the literal blood of Christ which saves us ? Or the life of Christ which died that saves us? In the old testament it says the soul that's sins shall die. If Christ did not die but did pour a lot of his blood out of his body would his blood save us ? For sure it's the death of Christ that brings salvation. The blood is part of it.

Hebrews 9 has answers to all your questions.

Without the death of Christ there is no eternal covenant.

Without the shed blood of Christ there is no remission of sins.


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3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

We are cleansed in the Precious Blood of Jesus, even one drop. His blood was presented on the alter for us. He paid the price for us. We throw our crowns at His feet because we realize there is nothing we can do to save ourselves. Yet we are still rewarded. 

Psalm 51:2
Wash me clean of my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin.

Hebrews 9:14

How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

God is not a laundry that clean our heart and make it holy instantly. Without repentance how can we become holy.

 


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5 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

      Is it the literal blood of Christ which saves us ? Or the life of Christ which died that saves us? In the old testament it says the soul that's sins shall die. If Christ did not die but did pour a lot of his blood out of his body would his blood save us ? For sure it's the death of Christ that brings salvation. The blood is part of it.

Hi Wayne,

Blood in the human body gives us life.

Blood from Christ`s sacrifice gives us eternal life.

I like to point that out to people who swear and say - bloody.


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Just to add a bit blood is often treated as a synonym for life both in and out of the Bible. It starts in Genesis and carries on into the New Testament.

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6 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

      Is it the literal blood of Christ which saves us ? Or the life of Christ which died that saves us? In the old testament it says the soul that's sins shall die. If Christ did not die but did pour a lot of his blood out of his body would his blood save us ? For sure it's the death of Christ that brings salvation. The blood is part of it.

When God initiated His salvation it encompassed a number of things:

  • A worthy Substitute who had not sinned had to be found
  • This Substitute had to be at least "everlasting" otherwise His substitutionary death could only have been for the men of His time
  • Since the wages of sin is death - the Substitute had to die
  • Since the sins of men had to be purged, blood had to be shed
  • Since the Covenants between a holy God and a profane man had to be ratified by blood, blood had to be shed
  • Since innocent blood shed into the earth had brought a curse on it and polluted it, the Substitutes blood had to run into the earth for it to be restored.
  1. No Man but Christ was worthy. All men come from Adam and are so tainted with the sin-nature. Christ not (Matt.1:18, Lk.1:35)
  2. Christ is eternal in His deity. Any thing that is added to His being becomes eternal. Thus He could die for men before and after His time
  3. Christ, seed of the woman, being fully a man, could die for men
  4. The human life and its issues are in the blood. If vengeance for offense is death then the blood must be shed
  5. God would disregard a Covenant not ratified in blood. Blood had to be shed
  6. Abel's blood, and all innocent blood ever shed must be equally met with the Substitute's blood before the curse can be lifted. Blood must be shed

Thus, Christ must die AND His blood must be shed.

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44 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

When God initiated His salvation it encompassed a number of things:

  • A worthy Substitute who had not sinned had to be found
  • This Substitute had to be at least "everlasting" otherwise His substitutionary death could only have been for the men of His time
  • Since the wages of sin is death - the Substitute had to die
  • Since the sins of men had to be purged, blood had to be shed
  • Since the Covenants between a holy God and a profane man had to be ratified by blood, blood had to be shed
  • Since innocent blood shed into the earth had brought a curse on it and polluted it, the Substitutes blood had to run into the earth for it to be restored.
  1. No Man but Christ was worthy. All men come from Adam and are so tainted with the sin-nature. Christ not (Matt.1:18, Lk.1:35)
  2. Christ is eternal in His deity. Any thing that is added to His being becomes eternal. Thus He could die for men before and after His time
  3. Christ, seed of the woman, being fully a man, could die for men
  4. The human life and its issues are in the blood. If vengeance for offense is death then the blood must be shed
  5. God would disregard a Covenant not ratified in blood. Blood had to be shed
  6. Abel's blood, and all innocent blood ever shed must be equally met with the Substitute's blood before the curse can be lifted. Blood must be shed

Thus, Christ must die AND His blood must be shed.

I gave you a reputation because you pointed out a lot of good things, that does not mean every thing you said it cannot be review...

Jesus Christ was a man, he must be a man. He was devine, but I will put it this way, he like any other man he had to go through the nine months gestation period which is for man

Through the faces of growth and development in his mother womb...

To justify the scriptures that say he empty himself, he brought and he had to start from the beginning, his growth through all the facets of in his mother womb, but he was anointed like no other..john the Baptist was also anointed, because God had set him aside for a special mission, and he had to take him away from the duties of his Inheritance from his Father Zacarias. The Priesthood Inheritance...

John the Baptist knew that Jesus had something no one had, something that cannot be given by the Law...something that only jesus can give...

But when he said to Jesus zi want what you have, Jesus did not replied to him, but he did not give him what he was asking at that moment, Jesus had to wait to die first.

This is what Jesus had, in deuteronomy 18: 18, 19 kjv, we read. What the Lord said to Moses, right after the Sinai Covenant.   

In KJV 8:18,19 ,I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him

*** This is what Jesus was saying to the people, that he speaks the words of God, and does what God is telling him to do. and he must obey him, if not he will be disobedient to the Heavenly Father... 

God asked him to heal the arm of this man in the Synagogue on the Sabbath...and another time to heal the blind man on the Sabbath. 

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2 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I gave you a reputation because you pointed out a lot of good things, that does not mean every thing you said it cannot be review...

Jesus Christ was a man, he must be a man. He was devine, but I will put it this way, he like any other man he had to go through the nine months gestation period which is for man

Through the faces of growth and development in his mother womb...

To justify the scriptures that say he empty himself, he brought and he had to start from the beginning, his growth through all the facets of in his mother womb, but he was anointed like no other..john the Baptist was also anointed, because God had set him aside for a special mission, and he had to take him away from the duties of his Inheritance from his Father Zacarias. The Priesthood Inheritance...

John the Baptist knew that Jesus had something no one had, something that cannot be given by the Law...something that only jesus can give...

But when he said to Jesus zi want what you have, Jesus did not replied to him, but he did not give him what he was asking at that moment, Jesus had to wait to die first.

This is what Jesus had, in deuteronomy 18: 18, 19 kjv, we read. What the Lord said to Moses, right after the Sinai Covenant.   

In KJV 8:18,19 ,I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him

*** This is what Jesus was saying to the people, that he speaks the words of God, and does what God is telling him to do. and he must obey him, if not he will be founding disobedience to the Heavenly Father...

Nice posting. Yes, our Lord Jesus went through the full process of human life, death and resurrection.

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2 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Nice posting. Yes, our Lord Jesus went through the full process of human life, death and resurrection.

We must show that he had a very unique anointing and that he started from the beginning, to justify the s scripture that said "he empty himself from everything he had, and from the position he had, the enforcer of the Law he put himself in subjection to the Law...

We must speak about him in a way to show that he pre-existed but not as a man...

Think about that, he was the Lord God Almighty, the Creator of all, the God of Abraham. 

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