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55 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

The mercy seat though is after the fall. Unless you know where in scripture the mercy seat is before the fall? 

There may be an issue with this logic, jade. I don't know--I just say maybe. The resaon being we know that Moses was told to build the tabernacle after the heavenly pattern?

Heb. 8:5 (NAS20S) who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, “ SEE,” He says, “THAT YOU MAKE all things BY THE PATTERN WHICH WAS SHOWN TO YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN.”

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8 minutes ago, Dan Knight said:

Then God afflicted an innocent man. 

For what?

God did not afflict Job...It was Satan that afflicted Job.  

God had protection around Job and his family and Satan told God if your remove this protection from Job, he will curse you.  Satan challenge God over Job's faithfulness.  God took Satan up on his challenge to prove Satan wrong and he did prove Satan wrong and God rewarded Job for his faithfulness in the end.

So Satan answered the LORD and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing? "Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. "But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!" And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has [is] in your power; only do not lay a hand on his [person]." So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD. - Job 1:9-12 NKJV

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4 minutes ago, Dan Knight said:

Then God afflicted an innocent man. 

For what?

Hi, Dan... Could it be so that when you and I read this account in the Bible today, we would be encouraged by Job's faith and grow in our own faith?  Job was genuinely praying for it to happen.  I marvel at this verse: 

"Oh, that my words were written! Oh, that they were inscribed in a book! That they were engraved on a rock With an iron pen and lead, forever! For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth; And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, That in my flesh I shall see God, Whom I shall see for myself, And my eyes shall behold, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!

- Job 19:23-27 (NKJV)

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3 hours ago, Starise said:

I believe many Christians mainly want to be where God is in a place He is the only one controlling with evil gone forever. I mean, we already see what happens when this isn't the case.

I seen one brother almost cry as he pounded his chest and said, " I just want to go HOME"

I believe I can surely sympathize with my brother's feelings on this. Down here on earth now- WHAT A MESS.

I will go out on a limb to say MANY believers are not exactly sure about what going to be with the Lord really entails. Exactly how it all ends up and the process in between.

We have visions of living in some distant land with God on a throne and us living the good life with Him, which is sort of accurate, but not a very detailed imagining of it.

It's not as if someone flips a switch and we wake up on a bed of ultra white to the sound of harps playing and overweight fluffy winged beings flitting around like little fat cherubs, mostly the examples put forth by artists of the victorian era. Angels is like little fat Buddas with wings only they look like little children. And Jesus is like old uncle Ernie, going around slapping everyone on the back asking them if they had enough to eat.

Neither do I believe heaven is serious as a heart attack, where an angel stands on the ready to pop anyone who isn't worshiping properly with a heavenly ruler. "See Sam up there in line 3?. Yeah the one with all the welts he can't seem to get his stuff together."

I know I'm rambling here. I have been told my answers are too long too.

I would say YES I believe Christians look forward to being with the Lord in His kingdom, only most of them don't really now what that means. 

I think Christ is very clear...

Matthew 3:2

And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

[Dan Knight]

38 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

God did not afflict Job...It was Satan that afflicted Job.  

God had protection around Job and his family and Satan told God if your remove this protection from Job, he will curse you.  Satan challenge God over Job's faithfulness.  God took Satan up on his challenge to prove Satan wrong and he did prove Satan wrong and God rewarded Job for his faithfulness in the end.

So Satan answered the LORD and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing? "Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. "But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!" And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has [is] in your power; only do not lay a hand on his [person]." So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD. - Job 1:9-12 NKJV

Back up a couple verses, 

⁶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

⁷ And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

⁸ And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job,

Hast thou considered my servant Job...

Your saying that Satan went before God and initiated the aggression towards Job.  Not so, even if he did, God was in control. So your saying God allowed this violent attack for ego sake? To prove Satan wrong? Prove to who? And at the expense of a presumably innocent human being. 

vs 8. God initiated the event, not Satan.

Read on. You will see why. Keep in mind, God does not tempt any one, but we are led into temptation by the lusts of our own hearts.

Again, in the Lord's Prayer,  we are not asking God to ,"lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one." Why would we constantly ask Him to do something He already said He would do, and God cannot lie.

No, we not asking for this in the Lord's Prayer.  We are proclaiming to Him, saying this is what You do! Father in Heaven,  You don't lead us into temptation,  You deliver us from evil. We are.praising Him.

How does your rendition of Job, fit with a God that says He don't do what He's being accused of doing? Of leading Job by temptation and handing him over to the evil one.

For ego sake.

God forbid.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Dan Knight

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33 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

God did not afflict Job...It was Satan that afflicted Job.  

God had protection around Job and his family and Satan told God if your remove this protection from Job, he will curse you.  Satan challenge God over Job's faithfulness.  God took Satan up on his challenge to prove Satan wrong and he did prove Satan wrong and God rewarded Job for his faithfulness in the end.

So Satan answered the LORD and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing? "Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. "But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!" And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has [is] in your power; only do not lay a hand on his [person]." So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD. - Job 1:9-12 NKJV

I'm not sure that God actually was "protecting" Job because Job served God. That was the accusation of Satan - suggesting Job feared and served the Lord because of divine protection rather than Job simply and freely serving God, regardless of good or bad events.

[Starise]

3 minutes ago, Hobie_ said:

I think Christ is very clear...

Matthew 3:2

And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew is thought to have been written between 80-90AD. Maybe slightly earlier or later.Obviously the kingdom as presented would have been something besides an area of land controlled by God specifically as a place where He will reside.

The subject of the kingdom is one easily misunderstood or confused because first we need a definition of the KINGDOM which means different things in different contexts.

The minute we accept Christ we are a part of his kingdom, however there is also the eventual establishment of God's kingdom in the new heaven and the new earth, which hasn't happened yet.

 

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8 minutes ago, Starise said:

Matthew is thought to have been written between 80-90AD. Maybe slightly earlier or later.Obviously the kingdom as presented would have been something besides an area of land controlled by God specifically as a place where He will reside.

The subject of the kingdom is one easily misunderstood or confused because first we need a definition of the KINGDOM which means different things in different contexts.

The minute we accept Christ we are a part of his kingdom, however there is also the eventual establishment of God's kingdom in the new heaven and the new earth, which hasn't happened yet.

 

I think the disciples were very clear on it...

Matthew 18:1-4 King James Version

1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus also talks of His Father who is in heaven and the mansions where Christ is preparing a place for us...

John 14:1-3 King James Version

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Hobie_

[Starise]

6 minutes ago, Hobie_ said:

I think the disciples were very clear on it...

Matthew 18:1-4 King James Version

18 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

I'm not disputing that. 

This is one way the kingdom is described. Of course we are part of the new location if we are believers.

We won't be here. Where will we be? The kingdom of God.

I think Alive wrote something about a relocation, which I'll admit I didn't entirely pick up on, but his comments reminded me of the kingdom. The ideas seemed odd to me at the time because we are still locationally here. Probably just me.

I can be a member of the Swedish skiing society, however I live in Florida. That in no way lessens the fact I am a member. I just haven't been there yet.

Edited September 22, 2022 by Starise

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3 minutes ago, Starise said:

I'm not disputing that. 

This is one way the kingdom is described. Of course we are part of the new location if we are believers.

We won't be here. Where will we be? The kingdom of God.

I think Alive wrote something about a relocation, which I'll admit I didn't entirely pick up on, but his comments reminded me of the kingdom. The ideas seemed odd to me at the time because we are still locationally here. Probably just me.

I can be a member of the Swedish skiing society, however I live in Florida. That in no way lessens the fact I am a member. I just haven't been there yet.

Hey @Starise if you read the link in my signature, that relocation will be clear.

I have some thoughts on the Kingdom subject--perhaps later on. I surely do not know what the final state is going to look like, but I have some thoughts and questions. Questions I have had since the beginning.

:-)