Persecution

[Estera]

On 10/6/2022 at 6:17 PM, R. Hartono said:

I live in the largest nation with Arab religion. 

Many unwise churches provoke unbelievers by uninvited street preaching like shotgun blast, which only destroys Christianity. Those churches are targetting moeslem conversion without Compassion Love and Sharing. Those churches never give Aids of medic, food and shelter or house repairs, they are just parroting verses and demanding abused tithe from people. Sad.

No wonder people don't like christians here. Howbeit they want to believe Jesus.

Listen to me if we don't appreciate religious tolerance christians shall be killed everywhere they go without Wisdom ! 

We cannot use our "libido" to convert people. What we need to give is Love at the first place instead of parroting verses uninvited. 

As said let your light shineth that people may see your good deeds and glorify God in heaven.

Yes, unfortunately I have seen this happen… but it’s not the case in this situation.  My work isn’t street preaching or anything like that, it’s a work specifically to tend and care for the scattered and battered sheep who are hiding and trying to endure, largely alone.  No parroting happening where I am  nor converting.  Jesus said go and make disciples…. Not go and make converts.  There’s a big difference. 

in Afghanistan, those kinds of activities you mention would very quickly result in execution… these little ones are hanging on by a thread, clinging to Jesus with all they have, fleeing from place to place, being betrayed by their own friends and family over and over again.  
 

…but yes, I have also seen the…. Sorry to put it bluntly like this… the arrogance/insensitivity of some people’s methods of evangelism in inappropriate contexts.  It doesn’t help the situation and puts others in danger in these parts of the world.  Much wisdom is needed, and demonstration of the gospel rather than force feeding. IMHO.  
 

Hope this response won’t provoke anger, my heart is to speak truth in love, and as believers we are supposed to walk in love for one another…

[Estera]

On 10/6/2022 at 7:38 PM, DPMartin said:

All you can do is what the Lord gives to do, keep you head down though, it will probably get worse. Unless there is a political advantage for western leadership or financial gain in it the west has no interest, so don’t miss place you expectations. Most Islam nations are starting to and have been buddying up to Russia. and even though Russia has laid off the churches in Russia, the leaders still hate religion altogether, unless it works with their agendas, they are USSR old schoolers.

Absolutely.  It is already getting worse.  I don’t have any expectations except that our King will return soon …but it’s going to get bumpier than it already is, and that’s pretty tough.  

(Hence trying these forums as a place to reach out for some support for me personally…. If that’s ok? Emotionally it can get pretty painful.)
 

 

[ayin jade]

1 hour ago, Estera said:

Absolutely.  It is already getting worse.  I don’t have any expectations except that our King will return soon …but it’s going to get bumpier than it already is, and that’s pretty tough.  

(Hence trying these forums as a place to reach out for some support for me personally…. If that’s ok? Emotionally it can get pretty painful.)
 

 

Many of us here would be happy to pray for you and your efforts. 

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, Estera said:

Yes, unfortunately I have seen this happen… but it’s not the case in this situation.  My work isn’t street preaching or anything like that, it’s a work specifically to tend and care for the scattered and battered sheep who are hiding and trying to endure, largely alone.  No parroting happening where I am  nor converting.  Jesus said go and make disciples…. Not go and make converts.  There’s a big difference. 

in Afghanistan, those kinds of activities you mention would very quickly result in execution… these little ones are hanging on by a thread, clinging to Jesus with all they have, fleeing from place to place, being betrayed by their own friends and family over and over again.  
 

…but yes, I have also seen the…. Sorry to put it bluntly like this… the arrogance/insensitivity of some people’s methods of evangelism in inappropriate contexts.  It doesn’t help the situation and puts others in danger in these parts of the world.  Much wisdom is needed, and demonstration of the gospel rather than force feeding. IMHO.  
 

Hope this response won’t provoke anger, my heart is to speak truth in love, and as believers we are supposed to walk in love for one another…

Where do you get the financing ?

May Holy Spirit protect your dangerous work there. In Jesus name Amen.

 

[Estera]

17 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Many of us here would be happy to pray for you and your efforts. 

Thanks 

13 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Where do you get the financing ?

May Holy Spirit protect your dangerous work there. In Jesus name Amen.

 

We have a small handful of regular people who give a little each month.  The rest of the needs are covered by our King.  He is faithful.  It’s a walk of faith. 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Estera

[kwikphilly]

16 hours ago, Estera said:

Absolutely.  It is already getting worse.  I don’t have any expectations except that our King will return soon …but it’s going to get bumpier than it already is, and that’s pretty tough.  

(Hence trying these forums as a place to reach out for some support for me personally…. If that’s ok? Emotionally it can get pretty painful.)
 

 

We are here to support you and pray for you and the people you assist.

Btw,I couldn't agree more that demonstrating the Love of Christ is the MOST important thing we do ,it is first and foremost and paves the WAY❤️ Yes,first we have to display His Love .... God Bless you🙏

[Jedi4Yahweh]

On 10/5/2022 at 4:03 AM, Estera said:

Please forgive me if this is the wrong place to talk about it, but my heart is really in pieces.

Our King has had me working with persecuted believers in the Islamic world for 6 years now… lately specifically with some scattered ones in Afghanistan.  I know Jesus told us to expect persecution… and especially in these days leading up to His return.  Last year, when the US left the country, there were some who managed to escape, but there are believers hiding all over the place, living under the shadow of death daily.  I’m talking with them every day, but there is so little I can actually do to change the situation… and it’s a horrific situation.  I think most of the Western world is oblivious… and that hurts too because these are our brothers and sisters… and they are so alone.

im not sure even what I’m trying to say here, except perhaps to ask you to please pray? They are hanging on by a thread.  It’s like they are standing on the edge of the Red Sea with no way to cross, and Pharaoh and his armies are closing in on them.  
 

I don’t know if this forum is a place to ask for support, but I could really do with some extra strength. We need a miracle.

Praying and supporting you.   Please check out the following links to ministries that support persecuted Christian.  There may be some resources that you may find helpful.

https://www.persecution.org/

https://www.persecution.com/

https://www.gfa.org/

https://www.opendoorsusa.org/

https://christianpersecution.com/

 

[Who me]

On 10/6/2022 at 12:14 PM, Estera said:

There are many organizations that do not publicize their work on the internet, because there are very real security issues.

In that case why are you posting anything.

Either you keep silent or you say what organisation you are working with and in what region.

[Starise]

1 hour ago, Who me said:

In that case why are you posting anything.

Because she wanted to inform of conditions. Because she wanted us to pray. Because she needs Christian fellowship.

Imagine for a minute you are over there. Now tell us everything about who you work for and where you are........right.

Edited October 11, 2022 by Starise

[NCAP]

1 hour ago, Who me said:

In that case why are you posting anything.

Either you keep silent or you say what organisation you are working with and in what region.

I don't know why the poster has to reveal what organization the poster is working with and in what religion the poster belongs. And besides that, the opponent may be lurking at forums like this and trying to gather information about the poster.

Edited October 11, 2022 by NCAP