Struggling with rejection

[Marilyn C]

I have been quite disturbed by this thread and most of the comments here. I see that people genuinely want to help however wrong attitudes have upset this. As those who desire to help, we need to know HOW to help not just have the desire. This I see is the problem, people think they are helping but they are coming across `self-righteous.`

 

I did not see the problem addressed, only side issues - are you a Christian? Seer/prophet, medicine, family/marriage problems, own testimony etc. eventually things got so misunderstood and the `helpers` retreated into self-righteousness.  

 

May I suggest some basic steps to help others.

 

1. LISTEN, feed back the main points, have EMPATHY.

 

2. Address the PROBLEM. The ANSWER is nearly always ATTITUDE.`

In this case it was feelings of rejection. The person was looking to circumstances or people or the past as the reason for her rejection feelings. She needed to be helped to see that while those may be hurtful and could cause feelings of rejection we can by an act of our will not take on rejection.  Use the word `we` as we are all to use our will but can easily be tricked by hurtful people or circumstances.

 

3. OUR ATTITUDE.

As comments can be misunderstood we need to be HUMBLE, (yes as the Lord was humble) and NOT resort to being self-righteous, (Pharisees). Instead feel for the one who is hurt by the misunderstanding. For example -

`I`m so sorry that came over that way, it was not how I intended. Please forgive me, as I do not want to cause you more hurt. See if I can say it a better way.`

The main focus is on the person and their problem. As they hear us sit with them looking at the problem, (and not from a self-righteous position), then they will be more likely to hear other points.

May we continue to seek the Lord for His compassion PLUS HIS way of treating the person.

Marilyn.

 

 

[Marilyn C]

@George

I think it would be good if you checked out this thread and the comments and give your advice.

Thank you, Marilyn.

[Wayne222]

On 11/25/2022 at 9:37 AM, Lollysd said:

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Praying for you. I also think people were being too judgemental of you. I could sense God's spirit in your post. But I will pray the Lord's works on your behalf. I always turn to ps 23 when I need encouragement. Blessings to you

[Wayne222]

On 11/25/2022 at 12:57 PM, Sower said:

Don't expect to receive help when you jump down on those who took the time, and shared with you what could be another source of your many problems, especially one who could really relate to you who and has been where you are. You said that your seer is "a fierce woman of God" and "She is filled with the Spirit, speaking in tongues."

I don't understand why you haven't received your answers to your problems after you consulted her? You surely have talked to her, right? What did she recommend to do? Have you been following her 'spirit led' wisdom? If not, why not?

People here do not reply to a post like yours with so many problems unless they believe they may help you. And it's possibly they may know a little more than you do about a seer and prophetess and the reasons to be careful consulting/listening to them. But you have to develop a spirit to listen, to learn. Unless you already know all the answers.

I sense a spirit of discord here now and the best we can do is to allow God's spirit of peace to take over, trusting in his promises, and calm down. God is not the author of confusion. It is standard practice when we do not know you, a new poster,  to ask if you have ever been saved, born again of the spirit. Because if you haven't, then your prayers are hindered.

God almighty, our creator, is the Father only of born again believers. I thought I was saved for over thirty years in a religion  till I heard I must be born again. And finally understood what that meant!   Lighten up and listen. If you really want help. There are many women here very well qualified to share what God says in the scriptures that applies to your situation. Then Trust God's guidance.

You seem kind of hard this time. Usually your not. She needs encouragement not rebuke. Anyway that's what I see. 

[com7fy8]

Job didn't give up on his friends, though they were wrong. Plus, Job found out how he himself needed to repent, when he saw Jesus.

I would like to read what the seer said to help her in the meantime. And test what was said, like how the other prophets are to judge what even a real prophet says.

For a while I was feeling rejected, and I was indeed wrong because I expected to be praised for being such a great teacher. Then it came to me how I was not loving those people the way Jesus says to love. Even if they were wrong, I was wrong, too. And in case I did have the teaching gift, I needed it to teach me how to love! . . . not only have me talk God's word.

"And I will very gladly spend and be spent for your souls; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved." (2 Corinthians 12:15)

If we walk with Jesus, we are guaranteed to face rejection. But we might have people acting as though they accept us, and we could do well to know they are just acting, if such is the case! 

So, it is wise, I guess, to be humble about if and when ones truly accept us, and do not have an entitled attitude, and have compassion for those who do not know how to love us.

If a real seer told her their relationship will be healed, I suppose the seer also could tell her what to do to help her and her husband to reach that point.

She could share that here to help and encourage others here who could benefit from this.

Be encouraging and this can help you to be encouraged.

I now think of 1 Peter 3:1-4, how "without a word" Christian wives can help any disobedient husband.

And we have Galatians 6:1, how a spiritual person can help restore a person out of "any" sin problem, I understand . . . as is possible with God.

So . . . when I discover how a person is supposed to be a Christian but does not know how to love me, have compassion ready for him or her; and if I am spiritual I can help to restore that person. This includes being God's example, having in me what he or she needs, so God can spread this to the person.

And if we pray the way God has us praying > in Philippians 4:6-7 we are guaranteed how "the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus."

God is almighty; so this peace is almighty to guard our "minds" against any dominating dirty cruel stuff.

And I think of how Paul had that thorn "messenger of Satan", but Jesus Christ's grace is sufficient . . . almighty against howsoever any thorn demon might mess with us. Once Paul had a little talk with Jesus, in God's grace Paul could take "pleasure" in any trouble. Because we have Heaven's pleasant rest in God's grace and peace.

And this can be "in the presence of my enemies" (in Psalm 23:5) > in the presence of any enemies, at all, I now see from this, we can enjoy sharing with our Heavenly Father and how He accepts us, at His own table prepared before us 

Edited November 27, 2022 by com7fy8

[Starise]

I think the trip word here was "seer" which is mostly seen in believer's circles as "fortune teller" which is clearly not of God. I didn't feel in the original post this was what she intended as a meaning though. VERY likely a simple misunderstanding of terms.

OTOH dreams and visions are a thing. Even if your theology thinks these things were eliminated, maybe an explanation was in  order?

Acts 2:17

In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

While I haven't had someone claiming any particular gift, I have had persons "prophesy" things over me which later became true.

But really this wasn't the 'meat and taters' of the post. 

This person clearly feels weak and needs some spiritual support. There are some bad trials happening. She needs our prayers.

I don't like that she felt there was an "us" and a "them" here. It should be a "we".

If she is a believer she is one of US. Please please please, take your finger off the trigger and evaluate before you jump in with the wrong kind of 'help'.

Why is everyone's problem of their own making all the time? This simply isn't true.

[Sower]

On 11/25/2022 at 9:37 AM, Lollysd said:

I was told by a seer, that I know is truly gifted, that she saw my family restored and my marriage as well. I’m trying to hold onto that but it’s tough when everyone around me seems miserable. I feel so broken. 

Lollysd said; "I was told by a seer, that I know is truly gifted"

(Formerly in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, he said, “Come, let us go to the seer,” for today’s “prophet” was formerly called a seer [H7200].) 1 Samuel 9:9

"And God saw ^H7200 the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."  

  H7200; : see (879x), look (104x), behold (83x), shew (68x), appear (66x), consider (22x), seer (12x), spy (6x), respect (5x), perceive (5x), provide (4x), regard (4x), enjoy (4x), lo (3x), foreseeth (2x), heed (2x), miscellaneous (74x).

This term/word seems to be the catalyst for discord concerning our replies to Lollysd. I was not fluent/learned regarding seers. Since this discussion I felt it wise to find out the truth or better understanding, and maybe understand better why Lollysd was so hurt. I acted upon my understanding/ignorance. NOT to be confused with; Soothsayer; one who pretends to prognosticate future events. Baalam is so called ( Joshua 13:22 ; Heb. kosem, a "diviner," as rendered 1 Samuel 6:2 ; rendered "prudent," Isaiah 3:2 ) etc etc.

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What was a seer in the Bible?

A seer is a person who “sees.” In the Bible, a seer is another name for a prophet (see 1 Samuel 9:9). But, more specifically, a seer was a prophet who saw visions—pictures or scenes seen in the mind’s eye, in dreams, or even with one’s natural eye. God spoke to His people through prophets in different ways, and one way was through visions. Accompanying the ability to see visions, a seer was given insight into what God was saying by these visions.

There are a few different Hebrew words translated “seer.” Roeh (1 Samuel 9:11) and chozeh (2 Samuel 24:11) are the two most common. Second Chronicles 9:29 might differentiate between prophet and seer: “Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, from first to last, are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam the son of Nebat?” The distinction is probably that Nathan was God’s spokesman in the world (whether or not he had visions), while Iddo was specifically associated with “visions.” Another prophet, Jeremiah, also operated as a seer (see Jeremiah 1:11–13). Notice that God doesn’t ask Jeremiah what he “feels” or “thinks,” but rather what he “sees.” After Jeremiah sees the vision, God gives him insight into what the vision meant (Jeremiah 1:14–18).

The term seer isn’t used in the New Testament, but there were still prophets who had visions. Paul had a vision of heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2), as did Stephen (Acts 7:55–56) and John (Revelation 1:12–16).

Seers in the Bible possessed a unique gift as God vividly communicated with and through them. Their faithfulness in writing down what they saw helped to complete the Word of God as we have it today.

 

 

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What is the difference between a seer and a prophet?

 

We have sometimes read or heard the term “seer” in the Bible and know the more popular term “prophet.” So, what is the difference between a seer and a prophet, and are these gifts still active today?

The Easton’s Bible Dictionary describes a Seer this way: “a name sometimes applied to the prophets because of the visions granted to them. It is first found in 1 Samuel 9:9. It is afterward applied to Zadok, Gad, etc. (2 Samuel 15:27; 24:11; 1 Chronicles 9:22; 25:5; Amos 7:12; Micah 3:7).” As we read through the Old Testament, we see the term “seer” referenced many times. Whereas the New Testament does not use the term seer, we still see people who had visions. In 2 Corinthians 12:2, Paul had a vision of heaven; in Acts 7:55-56, Stephen had a vision of the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God, etc.

So a Seer was another name for a prophet because a seer was a prophet through whom God spoke with visions or pictures. The prophet and the seer are one in the same. These visions could be in the form of a dream, in the mind’s eyes, or even in the natural. The seer would receive insight from God about their meaning and what God wants to speak to the people about. In 1 Samuel 9:11, the prophet Samuel is called a seer; in 2 Samuel 24:11, the prophet Gad is called a seer, In 2 Chronicles 9:29 Iddo the seer is mentioned, and in Jeremiah 1:11-18, we see the prophet Jeremiah receiving visions and insight of those visions from God. 

The Bible describes a prophet as a spokesman for God. Their task was to speak in God’s name and authority (Exodus 7:1), and whatever they said was not of man but God. 2 Peter 1:20-21 says, “knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.”

Prophets would teach and reveal God’s truth about current issues and the future. For example, prophets had the crucial task of guiding Israel and establishing the church. When Israel’s priests (who had the more extensive duty to teach God’s law) became corrupt and turned away from God, prophets arose to teach God’s law to the people, kings, and judges when they failed to rule justly and follows God’s law. An example is the prophet Isaiah who preached against the evil and corruption of the day and similarly spoke of the future (Isaiah 1:4; 25:8).

So, the question is, do seers/prophets exist today in the church setting? If the primary purpose is to reveal God’s truth, then there is no longer a need for prophets because we have the complete revelation of God in the Bible. The Bible tells us that the church’s foundation was laid by the Apostles and the Prophets. Ephesians 2:20 says, “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,” If so, then there is no prophet required in this capacity, otherwise are we still building the foundation? God has now finally spoken through His Son, and there is no more divine revelation until the return of Christ (Hebrews 1:1-2). That is why the Apostle Paul says in 2 Timothy 3:10-17 to hold fast to what has already been delivered. We now have the infallible Word and do not need prophets in this capacity because we already have the foundation.

On the other hand, God can still give a message to deliver to someone else in supernatural ways, but whatever word is spoken, it must be in total agreement with the word of God. That is why Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 says “Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good.” Again in 1 John 4:1 says, “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.” 

Whatever message is spoken, we are to be discerning about any word spoken and align it with the word of God. If there is anything contrary to God’s word, then do not receive that word. If the word aligns to scripture, then seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit to apply the word to your life. 

Jesus warned to watch out for false prophets. Matthew 7:15 says, “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.” False prophets lead people astray by deceiving them, spreading false teachings and messages claiming that they are from God. Deuteronomy 13:1-3 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams.” In other words, if a self-proclaiming prophet comes to you and says anything contrary to the word of God, then do not listen to them.

Also, in Deuteronomy 18:22, it says, “when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.”

There are many self-proclaimed prophets and seers today. First and foremost, God has given us all we need in the word of God, for every area in our life and for every decision. If you do hear someone speak a word to you, then test it against the infallible word of God.       So be it...

 

 

**  Maybe this understanding now of what a seer was in scripture will give us an appreciation of Lollysd's frustration, feeling attacked by our forum. I did not know what a seer was, only heard from others also ignorant like myself. This does not negate the possibility of false seers, nor the interpretation thereof.

 

I was wrong about seers. I have learned as God has moved me. Why I'm here. The price on this learning was too high. As I see it.

We all should pray fervently for Lollysd and her many trials. Wherever she is.

 

"I was told by a seer, that I know is truly gifted, that she saw my family restored and my marriage as well. I’m trying to hold onto that but it’s tough when everyone around me seems miserable. I feel so broken"

 

[Not of the World]

So-called "prophets" are a dime-a-dozen on social media.  They predict some pretty extreme events and, to my knowledge, none of them has ever been correct.  But at least they're entertaining.  

[grahampaul]

 

Well i wont be adding the word seer to the new testament anytime soon,easy enough to find out who they were,prophets of old with the ability to see visions and speak forth for God. how about what they are not.

as in'

not part of the gift ministeries.

not part of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

not part of the fruit of the Spirit.

so apart from our learning ,it was finished at the cross. 

 

[Marathoner]

1 hour ago, Not of the World said:

So-called "prophets" are a dime-a-dozen on social media.  They predict some pretty extreme events and, to my knowledge, none of them has ever been correct.  But at least they're entertaining.  

False prophets have been with us for a tremendously long time. You are quite correct; social media overflows with such things. I pay it no mind.

The Lord has no need of social media blather nor videos to make both His will purpose known. He speaks for Himself.