other one Posted January 9, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,245 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,972 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted January 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, R. Hartono said: The time that John received the vision was circa 85AD, different Times with the constellation. I guess I would agree, for it's really odd that he would be able to invision the sky on September 23rd, 2017 so many years ago.... And it has only happened once that I can find since creation and for the next 5000 years. Could be coincidence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted January 10, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 267 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,225 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,512 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted January 10, 2023 On 11/26/2022 at 11:37 AM, Not of the World said: @Jackero said in another thread "3. When Jesus was born into the world, the dragon tried to devour Him as soon as He was born (Revelation 12:3-4)." and, being that this event purportedly happened over 2,000 years ago, I am curious as to where you (the reader) believes we are in prophercy? Thanks in advance1 Hi Not of the World, For the Body of Christ - we are coming to maturity in Christ, of the full counsel of God. (Eph. 4: 13) For Israel - nations dividing up their land, and Russia (& pals) about to invade. (Joel 3: 2, 2: 1 - 11, Ez. 38 & 39) For the Nations - lawlessness & preparing a global government. (2 Thess. 2: 9, Ps. 2: 1 - 3) Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted December 30, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/25/2022 at 7:07 PM, Not of the World said: I am curious as to where you (the reader) believes we are in prophercy? Unwavering faith in Jesus. The next prophetic event in line to happen is (Revelation 18:7-9). The fall of New York City, by nuclear terrorist and the demise of the Liberal World Order(Revelation 17:18). The U.S. attack on Iran will be the last straw that unleashes Asia's hatred upon the U.S.. The U.S. is being pushed into this action to give Russia justification to activate the sleeper cells (Revelation 17:16). Edited December 30, 2023 by Scott Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted December 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.68 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2023 9 minutes ago, Scott Free said: Unwavering faith in Jesus. The next prophetic event in line to happen is (Revelation 18:7-9). The fall of New York City, by nuclear terrorist and the demise of the Liberal World Order. The U.S. attack on Iran will be the last straw that unleashes Asia's hatred upon the U.S.. The U.S. is being pushed into this action to give Russia justification to activate the sleeper cells (Revelation 17:16). It's dangerous to interpret prophecy in relation to current events, that's been done many times in history and all have turned out wrong. We can't know the day or hour but we can know the season, but not knowing the day or hour we can't know how long that season will be. A day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day, only God knows the events and timing of it as it is fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted December 30, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, FJK said: It's dangerous to interpret prophecy in relation to current events, that's been done many times in history and all have turned out wrong. The information needed is purposely hidden from us. Relying on Industrial Media will not reveal the answers. One needs to spend years in an academic library gathering a plethora of knowledge to see a big enough picture to make sense of global prophetic events (Daniel 12:4). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted December 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,141 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,562 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 11/26/2022 at 8:31 AM, AdHoc said: ALL THE PROPHECIES THAT STILL REMAIN TO BE FULFILLED CONCERN ISRAEL. THERE ARE NO PROPHECIES THAT THE CHURCH MUST FULFILL BEFORE CHRIST'S COMING The great tribulation must be fulfilled first. Besides in the NT, the GT is prophesied in Daniel 12:1. So the preceding events of Daniel 11:40-45, though centered around Israel, are events Christians will live through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.46 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, WilliamL said: The great tribulation must be fulfilled first. Besides in the NT, the GT is prophesied in Daniel 12:1. So the preceding events of Daniel 11:40-45, though centered around Israel, are events Christians will live through. I don't understand why people want to split Daniel 11 up .It's a continuous chapter from the beginning to end.The old christians who live to see Daniel 11:40 lived to see Daniel 11:7 .They may have been young but they saw it. They just may not realize it. Edited December 31, 2023 by Shilohsfoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdHoc Posted January 1 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,052 Content Per Day: 3.30 Reputation: 1,460 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted January 1 On 12/30/2023 at 10:27 PM, WilliamL said: The great tribulation must be fulfilled first. Besides in the NT, the GT is prophesied in Daniel 12:1. So the preceding events of Daniel 11:40-45, though centered around Israel, are events Christians will live through. If you approach the matter of the Great Tribulation as God's vengeance on all flesh including those saved (or in this case - not saved) by the death of Christ, you would be correct. It is all a matter of your point of view. But I'm sure you will agree that if one takes the view that Christ's death is also valid for God's judgment on an evil world, and that we are not appointed to God's wrath. According to the context of 1st Thessalonians 5:6–10; 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. The word "salvation" in verse 8 is to be "saved" from the Great Tribulation. 2nd Thessalonians was written to counter the notion (or teaching) that the Church has missed a pre-tribulation rapture*. Chapter 2 concerns the "Parousia" of the Lord and our gathering to Him. The two events predicted here are (1) that we see the Beast "revealed" and (2) apostasy in the Church. The Great Tribulation does not start until the Beast has (1) been "revealed" and then (2) "crowned" and then has (3) ruled for 3 ½ years. Daniel 11 should prove my point. It is written for Daniel's people in Hebrew and concerns the Sanctuary being defiled - a purely Jewish matter. Michael is the angel to Israel. * I do not deny that at least four scriptures show Christians passing through the Great Tribulation. I also admit at least three scriptures showing that SOME Christians miss the Great Tribulation. These three are CONDITIONAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted January 1 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,141 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,562 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted January 1 55 minutes ago, AdHoc said: The word "salvation" in verse 8 is to be "saved" from the Great Tribulation. The Word says no such thing. Saints are saved from sin, and will be saved from the time of God's wrath. But the tribulation is not the wrath, it precedes the wrath. Trib > Rapture > Wrath. 1 hour ago, AdHoc said: 2nd Thessalonians 2 ... concerns the "Parousia" of the Lord and our gathering to Him. The two events predicted here are (1) that we see the Beast "revealed" and (2) apostasy in the Church. The Great Tribulation does not start until the Beast has (1) been "revealed" and then (2) "crowned"... The Beast is post trib and post rapture. The Son of Perdition is pre rapture: he is not the Beast. Rev. 7:14's saints 'out of the trib' are in heaven before the trumpets sound; the abyss is not opened until the 5th trumpet; the Beast ascends from that opened Abyss; thus the Beast is post trib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted January 1 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,141 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,562 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, AdHoc said: Daniel 11 should prove my point. It is written for Daniel's people in Hebrew and concerns the Sanctuary being defiled... ...by Antiochus Epiphanies, in 168 BC, verse 31. But Daniel 11:40 and following take place in the "time of the end," and is an as yet unfulfilled prophecy. Edited January 1 by WilliamL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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