For Non-Tongue Speaking Christians

[ChristB4us]

For non-tongue speaking Christians that are concern about the Holy Spirit not making any intercessions for you out loud like that as the tongue speaking Christians claim for themselves, you need not be concern.  Granted, they can pull scripture from modern Bibles that seems to support their claim, but they and you would be remiss in not checking out the KJV because the Holy Spirit makes intercessions in all believers silently.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

The KJV holds to this testimony that the Holy Spirit cannot even utter His own groanings out loud when making His intercessions for us.

So then how is the silent intercessions of the Holy Spirit is known to God the Father?  By Jesus Christ knowing the mind of the Spirit.

Jesus Christ is the "he" that searches our hearts.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Since Jesus is the One we answer to as He searches our hearts, then He is the "he" that knows the mind of the Spirit in giving His silent intercessions to the Father which is the will of God for Jesus Christ to do, being the only Mediator between God and men.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Why is He the only Mediator between God and men?  Because Jesus answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers as Jesus Christ is the only way we can come to God the Father by.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth..... 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

All that the Holy Spirit does per Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit gives that credit and glory to Jesus Christ.  That means all the words of the Spirit spoken, all the fruits of the Spirit, and the gifts of the Spirit are from Jesus Christ as He is the Head of the church and the Head of the believer.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

So believe Jesus when He said this about you praying whether it be out loud or silently.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Jesus searching our hearts and knowing the mind of the Spirit is how the Father knows before we, ourselves, ask anything in prayer.

So you are not missing anything for not having tongues for private use as if the Holy Spirit needs that to make intercessions for you.

It is too bad that tongue speakers that believe God's gift of tongues can be for private use, do not realize that truth in His words for why they should discern with the Lord Jesus Christ that tongues for private use is not of Him at all.  You can pray for them though.

So if any tongue speaker comes to you and say if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore you are not saved; forgive them for they know not what they do.

Feel free to testify that you know in Whom you believe that you have eternal life with all those that believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and that God has raised Him from the dead are saved and that the Holy Spirit in us makes silent intercessions in each of us as Jesus Christ knows the mind of the Spirit and searches our hearts for why the Father knows before we, ourselves, ask anything in prayer.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

[R. Hartono]

Holy Spirit baptism is about Jesus claiming Christians into His Body. Its a part of Faith and Salvation. 

Ask and it shall be given instead of becoming theologians. Its not as easy as ABC though. A narrow path full of sharp rocks. The painful sores that tortured Job.

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2023 by R. Hartono

[ChristB4us]

39 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Holy Spirit baptism is about Jesus claiming Christians into His Body. Its a part of Faith and Salvation. 

Ask and it shall be given instead of becoming theologians. Its not as easy as ABC though. A narrow path full of sharp rocks. The painful sores that tortured Job.

 

 

 

One does not need to look for a visible sign of having received the Holy Spirit at their salvation moment otherwise one can say when they have been born again.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Our believing in Him is a manifested work of God the Father as He has drawn us unto the Son to reveal His Son to us so we can believe and be saved.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Edited April 16, 2023 by ChristB4us

[Waggles]

4 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

One does not need to look for a visible sign of having received the Holy Spirit at their salvation moment otherwise one can say when they have been born again.

That is a straight out denial of scripture.

[grahampaul]

5 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

One does not need to look for a visible sign of having received the Holy Spirit at their salvation moment otherwise one can say when they have been born again.

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Our believing in Him is a manifested work of God the Father as He has drawn us unto the Son to reveal His Son to us so we can believe and be saved.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith..... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

 what has  all this got to do with someones experience of receiving the holy Spirit. the ability to speak in tongues is one of the nine  manifestations  of the gift , Holy Spirit. and is given to all that believe in His name.

[Jayne]

6 hours ago, ChristB4us said:

For non-tongue speaking Christians that are concern about the Holy Spirit not making any intercessions for you out loud like that as the tongue speaking Christians claim for themselves,.......

I wasn't worried.  I've never met another Christian who is worried. The rest of your post was too long for me to read.  I got the gist in the first sentence.

God gives some the gift of tongues and some not.

[ayin jade]

Sadly there are some who claim one is not a Christian without tongues.

[ChristB4us]

1 hour ago, Waggles said:

That is a straight out denial of scripture.

The big difference is, signs follow believers; but believers are not to follow after signs. 

The resulting signs is because of new believers believing in the preaching the cross; not believing that they will receive the Holy Spirit after a sign.

 

[ChristB4us]

53 minutes ago, grahampaul said:

 

 what has  all this got to do with someones experience of receiving the holy Spirit. the ability to speak in tongues is one of the nine  manifestations  of the gift , Holy Spirit. and is given to all that believe in His name.

Think about what you just said, because your post can be used to support that false teaching that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit and therefore you are not saved.

The real sad part about this is that none of the tongue speakers that believe otherwise care to go out of their way to correct you.

And they wonder why some believers speak against tongues for private use.

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

So not every one speaks in tongues.  

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

So tongues is not to serve as a sign or proof of salvation to the believers nor as a sign or proof that the person is being called into the ministry nor for any other sign or proof.

You are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ.

[ChristB4us]

44 minutes ago, Jayne said:

I wasn't worried.  I've never met another Christian who is worried. The rest of your post was too long for me to read.  I got the gist in the first sentence.

God gives some the gift of tongues and some not.

Short version, the Holy Spirit in you makes silent intercessions on your behalf while Jesus Christ knows the mind of the Spirit, Jesus gives His silent intercessions to the Father just as Jesus searches our hearts and gives our intercessions to the Father for why the Father knows before we even ask.