Everyone Is A Child Of God

[Jayne]

On 4/20/2023 at 9:41 AM, Vine Abider said:

Doesn't Paul say we are all His children in Acts? Or maybe we're all out from Him. (running now & don't have time to look it up)

Paul, in his sermon to the people of Athens at Mars Hill, was not that we are all God's children - saved by faith, but that all humanity was created by God.

In fact, "we are his offspring" was Paul quoting one of their pagan poets.  But Paul used that to explain the truth to them.

Here's what he said in an effort to get them to understand that their idea of "god" was wrong.

Acts 17:24-29 = "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising."

 

[Vine Abider]

9 minutes ago, Jayne said:

Paul, in his sermon to the people of Athens at Mars Hill, was not that we are all God's children - saved by faith, but that all humanity was created by God.

In fact, "we are his offspring" was Paul quoting one of their pagan poets.  But Paul used that to explain the truth to them.

Here's what he said in an effort to get them to understand that their idea of "god" was wrong.

Acts 17:24-29 = "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising."

 

Agreed.  In one sense all mankind bears the image of God in their physical being.  But inwardly - only those born-again of His Spirit have His life! (this is the tragedy of having the form of God, but not really His substance, i.e., sons of God)

[com7fy8]

45 minutes ago, Tony the student said:

This is wonderful. You have revealed exactly the way of life one might find in a single family. There is one father and one mother. Children come next. And as a father, I must reveal to my sons and daughters my standards of conduct and behavior that govern family life. Once they know the standards, then I can enforce those standards. However, if I do not teach them standards, then there will be no punishment. Where there is no law; there is no sin.

Lead by example >

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

And God does use example . . . along with prayer and His word.

And yes you are trusted. God Himself is trusting you with people, for you to love people by being their good example!

And God's children are to follow His example >

"Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:1-2)

So, yes God so loves us, but this is our example required also of us who are His children. This is not how Satan's children are living! There are ones who are not living as God's children.

And God enforces our good example, too. I note how Paul and Silvanus and Timothy related with the Thessalonians >

"as a nursing mother cherishes her own children" (in 1 Thessalonians 2:7).

I see it is possible that God used certain Christian nursing women to show Paul and Silvanus and Timothy how our Father expects us to tenderly nurture and care for God's children. God used their example, and required this of great men, even like Paul and Silvanus and Timothy, I think  And they got the message, while Moses . . . for a while, anyway. . . had the example but didn't get it (Numbers 11:11-12).

So, we do not only have a label of being God's children, but we have how we are expected to actively seek our Father's correction (Hebrews 12:9-10) and relate tenderly and kindly, so personally and intimately, with each other (Colossians 3:12-13, Ephesians 4:31-32).

So, certainly not all are relating as God's children. And Jesus is our way to do this. Many do not have Christ as their way to be and to love.

Edited April 21, 2023 by com7fy8

[kwikphilly]

32 minutes ago, Jayne said:

Paul, in his sermon to the people of Athens at Mars Hill, was not that we are all God's children - saved by faith, but that all humanity was created by God.

In fact, "we are his offspring" was Paul quoting one of their pagan poets.  But Paul used that to explain the truth to them.

Here's what he said in an effort to get them to understand that their idea of "god" was wrong.

Acts 17:24-29 = "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising."

 

Well done - Paul makes a very clear statement of correction!

Nice ,Jayne

[kwikphilly]

21 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

Lead by example >

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

And God does use example . . . along with prayer and His word.

And yes you are trusted. God Himself is trusting you with people, for you to love people by being their good example!

And God's children are to follow His example >

"Therefore be imitators of God as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma." (Ephesians 5:1-2)

So, yes God so loves us, and this is our example required also of us who are His children. This is not how Satan's children are living! There are ones who are not living as God's children.

And God enforces our good example, too. I note how Paul and Silvanus and Timothy related with the Thessalonians >

"as a nursing mother cherishes her own children" (in 1 Thessalonians 2:7).

I see it is possible that God used certain Christian nursing women to show Paul and Silvanus and Timothy how our Father expects us to tenderly nurture and care for God's children. God used their example, and required this of great men, even like Paul and Silvanus and Timothy, I think  And they got the message, while Moses . . . for a while, anyway. . . had the example but didn't get it (Numbers 11:11-12).

So, we do not only have a label of being God's children, but we have how we are expected to actively seek our Father's correction (Hebrews 12:9-10) and relate tenderly and kindly, so personally and intimately, with each other (Colossians 3:12-13, Ephesians 4:31-32).

 

 

Exactly .... And let's not forget all the times Jesus Rebuked,saying" your father the devil".. .hmmm

[com7fy8]

2 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

Exactly .... And let's not forget all the times Jesus Rebuked,saying" your father the devil".. .hmmm

At least one time >

"'You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.'" (John 8:44)

What else?

[Sower]

On 4/20/2023 at 9:15 AM, farouk said:

Hi @FJK We are all part of Creation but not part of New Creation....; as someone has said, we are either a missionary or a mission field...........

I like that farouk, though my observation says is there is a third type.

Those that should be a missionary but do not believe nor desire to do so.

From Ignite America with Revival!

Less than 1% of Christians are actively sharing their faith every day! How are they going to know unless someone tells them? Unless you tell them! Like it or not, you’re a city set on a hill for all to see and watch, every when you don’t know they’re watching. you’re a full-time witness, either for the defense or the prosecution of the Gospel.

Faith Comes By Hearing

Christians want to believe that actions speak louder than words, because it gets them off the hook for sharing their faith. The problem is, it’s not scriptural and it doesn’t work. Being good doesn’t get you or anyone else into Heaven. The world is full of good people, doing good things, that have nothing to do with redemption.

Almost every Christian can quote the words of St. Francis of Assisi, “Preach the Gospel at all times and, when necessary, use words.” But St. Francis never said that or anything like that. Romans 10:14 asks: “How shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard,” followed by Romans 10:17, “So then Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God.” Bottom Line: Jesus didn’t say, “Go into the world and just be a good person.”

 

[Selah7]

My understanding is along these lines.  Our heavenly Father created each and every soul that has ever been born.  However, His children are only those who have accepted Christ as their Savior.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

- Romans 8:14-17 (KJV)

s e l a h

[kwikphilly]

10 minutes ago, com7fy8 said:

At least one time >

"'You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.'" (John 8:44)

What else?

No,you're right- that's it" brood of vipers "I suppose is not the same - sort of, lol 

Just the one verbatim

 

[ayin jade]

Im surprised no one posted this yet.

John 1:12 But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name,
13 who were born, not of bloods, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but were born of God.