No One Has Ascended Into Heaven But He Who Descended Out Of Heaven, The Son Of Man, Who Is In Heaven.

[Walter and Deborah]

Saturday 9-2-23 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Elul 16 5783, 74th. Summer Day
 

John 3:13

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John 3:13  And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

 

Love, Walter And Debbie

Edited September 2, 2023 by Walter and Deborah
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[TheBlade]

Hey W&D.. yes this was spoken while under the OT law.. has anything changed? bless you

[AdHoc]

8 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said:

Saturday 9-2-23 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Elul 16 5783, 74th. Summer Day
 

John 3:13

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John 3:13  And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

 

Love, Walter And Debbie

This verse has a context. Nicodemus was confused by the rebirth. Our Lord Jesus asked him why, as a leader of Israel, he was without knowledge of these matters. He then tells Nicodemus that He testifies of things He has seen. That is, an eye witness. He then alludes to His deity as having come from heaven and seen what no other man has witnessed. Notice the abstract grammar. The verse ends with Jesus ON EARTH but saying He is (present tense) IN heaven.

Nicodemus had the Oracles of God. he would have read about the Tree of Life many times. As teacher he would have asked himself what would have happened if Adam had eaten of the Tree of Life? The answer is that God and His LIFE would have entered and stayed in Adam. He would have been partaker of the divine life. To underscore this point in verse 14. He brings the example of Israel bitten by venomous serpents. What happened there was they had the death-serum coursing through their inner parts - a serum that would end in death. The Israelite could look upon a brass serpent on a wooden pole. But the end of the matter is not a miraculous healing. That's not the point. The text in Numbers 21:9 says "he LIVED". That is, his intrinsic nature which led to death was replaced by LIFE.

So also is the rebirth. It fills the spirit of the man who believes with the divine life.

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. (2 Pe 1:3–4)

 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

6 hours ago, TheBlade said:

this was spoken while under the OT law.. has anything changed?

Yes, the resurrection of Jesus Christ who led captivity captive and all the old testament saints that were in the upper regions of hell (Abraham's bosom) temporarily until the new birth became available... when Jesus led them all to Heaven.

You can read in the Book of Acts where all these folks coming up out of the grave with Jesus walked around on the earth for a while before going with Jesus to Heaven when He placed His shed Blood on the mercy seat.

Now, when a believer dies their body goes in to the ground but the person themselves go to be where Jesus is in Heaven.  Paul spoke about that saying to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Once thing for sure, there is no such thing as soul sleep even for those that are not saved.  For them to be absent from the body is to be present in hell.

[Revelation Man]

On 9/2/2023 at 10:13 AM, Walter and Deborah said:

Saturday 9-2-23 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Elul 16 5783, 74th. Summer Day
 

John 3:13

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John 3:13  And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

You are correct, but maybe not because of John 3:13. Scriptures tell us in 1 Cor. 15:50-52 that the Dead in Christ are raised at the VERY END, and those alive are changed, which means we must rid ourselves of this SIN FLESH which can not enter heaven, meaning we simply DIE as our Spirit Man floats off to heaven as Jesus calls us home. 

Dan. 12 tells us the Dead are raised at the very end. So, the Jews go to Paradise and await till the 2nd coming, and the Church gets raised at the Pre Trib Rapture. 

Edited September 3, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Walter and Deborah]

16 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Hey W&D.. yes this was spoken while under the OT law.. has anything changed? bless you

I don't think so.

Love, Walter

[Walter and Deborah]

8-3-23

  16 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Hey W&D.. yes this was spoken while under the OT law.. has anything changed?  bless you

I don't think so.

Love, Walter

 

John 3:13 is a verse from the Bible. It says "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."¹ This verse is part of a conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus. Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus that he needed to be born again in order to enter the kingdom of God. The phrase “Son of Man” is one of Jesus’ favorite names for Himself. He will refer to Himself using this title several times in the Gospels. This is a phrase which all Jewish people would have recognized (Daniel 7:13). It connects Jesus to Old Testament prophecy.¹

The verse means that no one has gone up to heaven except for Jesus who came down from heaven.¹ It is important to note that this verse does not mean that no one will ever go to heaven. It simply means that no one has gone there yet except for Jesus.¹

[garee]

3 minutes ago, Walter and Deborah said:

8-3-23

  16 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Hey W&D.. yes this was spoken while under the OT law.. has anything changed?  bless you

I don't think so.

Love, Walter

 

John 3:13 is a verse from the Bible. It says "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."¹ This verse is part of a conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus. Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus that he needed to be born again in order to enter the kingdom of God. The phrase “Son of Man” is one of Jesus’ favorite names for Himself. He will refer to Himself using this title several times in the Gospels. This is a phrase which all Jewish people would have recognized (Daniel 7:13). It connects Jesus to Old Testament prophecy.¹

The verse means that no one has gone up to heaven except for Jesus who came down from heaven.¹ It is important to note that this verse does not mean that no one will ever go to heaven. It simply means that no one has gone there yet except for Jesus.¹

Yes the Son of man who was sent as the spirit as sonship from the father as a born again Son of God. All die not receive the new incorruptible body. 

Jesus our brother in the lord .

We call no man on earth father.  In that way  the Holy Spirit of sonship works in us all ,  Jesus dying body of death did not come down .God is not a man . 

[Walter and Deborah]

16 minutes ago, Walter and Deborah said:

8-3-23

  16 hours ago, TheBlade said:

Hey W&D.. yes this was spoken while under the OT law.. has anything changed?  bless you

I don't think so.

Love, Walter

 

John 3:13 is a verse from the Bible. It says "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."¹ This verse is part of a conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus. Jesus was explaining to Nicodemus that he needed to be born again in order to enter the kingdom of God. The phrase “Son of Man” is one of Jesus’ favorite names for Himself. He will refer to Himself using this title several times in the Gospels. This is a phrase which all Jewish people would have recognized (Daniel 7:13). It connects Jesus to Old Testament prophecy.¹

The verse means that no one has gone up to heaven except for Jesus who came down from heaven.¹ It is important to note that this verse does not mean that no one will ever go to heaven. It simply means that no one has gone there yet except for Jesus.¹

 

Daniel 7:9-14

 

Ancient Of Days

 

⁹ I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

¹⁰ A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

¹¹ I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

¹² As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

¹³ I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

¹⁴ And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Love, Walter

[DeighAnn]

And there would be no earth if not the Word was spoken.