The 7 year tribulation

[Charlie744]

Just now, Charlie744 said:

Thanks. I believe I focused on 39:21… which I interpret as the Babylonian captivity, not the end times.

The earlier reference on 39:11 may certainly be speaking on end times - have not studied or read much of Ezekiel.

But these references do not apply to chapter 2:40-43. 
 

 

Oh, I believe this is the 7 year topic… I have been going back and forth among the few topics.

Doesn’t your Ezekiel reference mention 7 months?

I see absolutely no 7 years in Daniel that speaks to or anything but t he he final 7 years of the prophecy. And those 7 years were completed- nothing hints of a “gap” between the 69th and the 70th week or its completion.

 

[tatwo]

2 hours ago, douggg said:

No, I responded to when the Lord's return will be.    I did not say when the rapture would be in my response.

I am on record for saying that the 7 years begin before the end of the 2030.    And Jesus's Return before the end of 2037.

The only factor that could alter what I am on record for - is that a generation of 70 years, could be 80 years, based on what it says in Psalms 90 about a generation.

Yes I think we have had this discussion...you have the rapture at some unspecified date prior to what you call the "Transgression of Desolation" (ToD) from Daniel 8:12-13 & 1st Thessalonians 2:3-4. Which occurs after the 7oth week begins at the..."confirmation of the covenant"...but prior to the middle of the 70th week.

The multiple iterations of this future 70th week and its events can become difficult for those of a different realm to track. 

Anyways douggg...as you wish friend...as you wish.

The thing that should trouble folks about this future 70th week is...that it is predominantly focused upon darkness and Satan...now today...prior to said rapture...which is inextricably connected to  the "confirmation of the covenant" or there about as in douggg's example.

In this effort...these people claim to have more knowledge about a future time period on the earth...one in which supposedly they will not be...on the earth...while really having no specific idea of it's commencement. 

They can give you in precise description the intricate details and timings about this fantastic mystical floating 70th week...all from the bible no less. If you ask them what is it that their lord would have them to do for preparation today...for the day of their secret catching away...they in general will reply..."watch and wait...we must be ready."

Interpreted as...go to church, be nice to your neighbors, work hard and pay your bills...you know basically anything you want to as long as it is good in the eyes of the Babylonian man god...we must please the man god.

Let's not forget that they are being systematically consumed by the "thank you sir may I have another" economic usury model of finance to the modern day Pharaoh...while basking in the serenity of their "Truman Show style"...Egyptian slave culture as the orphans they have become.

All of this all the while they bear down on the plans and intentions of the enemy like the darkened version of the Berean brotherhood they are. This while they are vigorously slapping at those who are trying to throw them a life preserver...as though it is a noble cause and that all should realize that they are really doing great.

This kind of explains the infatuation towards secret future 70th week and catching away fetish...they really have no other hope...as my Norwegian Grand Father would say...uffdah! 

Tatwo...:)

 

[douggg]

57 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Thanks. I believe I focused on 39:21… which I interpret as the Babylonian captivity, not the end times.

The earlier reference on 39:11 may certainly be speaking on end times - have not studied or read much of Ezekiel.

But these references do not apply to chapter 2:40-43. 
 

 

Charlie, try this...

compare Ezekiel 39:17-20 to the marriage feast of the Lamb in Revelation 19:17-18.

Ezekiel 39:

17And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

Revelation 19:

17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

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Jesus destroys those armies in Revelation 19:21.

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

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Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

In verse 21, Jesus is back on earth. To rule over the nations.   

Psalms 2 which is about the Armageddon event,  verse 1 "Why do the heather rage and image a vain thing?"

Then God says...

8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

In Ezekiel 39:21 Jesus inherits the earth and will rule over the nations.

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Ezekiel 39:1-16, the latter days, latter years, Gog/Magog event.   then the 7 years.

Then the Armageddon event in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

Then Jesus speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to this earth, and having just passed judgement on the heathen in verses 17-20 for attempting to make war on him.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by douggg

[douggg]

40 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Yes I think we have had this discussion...you have the rapture at some unspecified date prior to what you call the "Transgression of Desolation" (ToD) from Daniel 8:12-13 & 1st Thessalonians 2:3-4. Which occurs after the 7oth week begins at the..."confirmation of the covenant"...but prior to the middle of the 70th week.

You have expressed what I maintain exactly right.   Two thumbs up for you !

typo you made... 2Thessalonians2:3-4, not 1Thesslaonians2:3-4.

Edited December 11, 2023 by douggg

[tatwo]

4 minutes ago, douggg said:

You have expressed what I maintain exactly right.   Two thumbs up for you !

typo you made... 2Thessalonians2:3-4, not 1Thesslaonians2:3-4.

Thank you douggg...sorry about the disconnect.

Tatwo...:)

[luigi]

We know the 3.5 times tribulation period for the saints in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 12:14, being the 1,260 days in Revelation 12:6, which are roughly 3.5 years. But before this 3.5 year tribulation period for the saints commences, according to the Olivet discourse there are going to be a lot of terrible things going on throughout the world, which the Lord refers to as the beginning of sorrows (Mark 13:8; Matthew 24:8). These beginning of sorrows events that the whole world will experience, prior to the beasts ascension, will therefore take some time (years) to accomplish.

 Mark 13:8 or nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.