1948 is not a Sign of the Coming of Jesus.

[Revelation Man]

On 11/1/2023 at 4:17 AM, Diaste said:

Yes, it is not a sign of the nearness of Jesus arrival. It's not the marker from which we can count the years. We were told to look for specific things and 1948 isn't one of them.

The end of the age required Israel to be in Canaan, but it is not the indicator of the nearness of the coming of the Lord. 

Well, its not a 70 year COUNTDOWN, because the Fig Tree in that parable is not Israel, but Israel being reborn is END TIMES. Look Apophis is the DOTL, I saw a vision in 1986 and God via a BOOMING voice told me from above, the Man of Sin is here so he's at least 40 yeas old, he's a man, it thus all has to happen in the next 40 or so years, which means an Asteroid has to hit, Apophis will be that asteroid. BANK IT. 

Lets just be ready, the Pre Trib will thus have to happen in the fall of 2025. If I know ANYTHING in life, its prophecy my friend. 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Diaste]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, its not a 70 year COUNTDOWN, because the Fig Tree in that parable is not Israel, but Israel being reborn is END TIMES. Look Apophis is the DOTL, I saw a vision in 1986 and God via a BOOMING voice told me from above, the Man of Sin is here so he's at least 40 yeas old, he's a man, it this has to happen in the next 40 or so years, which means an Asteroid has to hit, Apophis will be that asteroid. BANK IT. 

Lets just be ready, the Pre Trib will this have to happen in the fall of 2025. If I know ANYTHING in life, its prophecy my friend. 

I guess we'll see.

[Diaste]

21 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

If you look at that prophecy I posted in Zech. it contains a couple of things that were prophesied in other parts of scripture that happen right after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

Notice….

 

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, “the spirit of grace”and of supplications: and “they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,”and they shall “mourn for him,” as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great “mourning in Jerusalem,” as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall “mourn,” every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;”

The spirit of grace that is yet to be poured out on Israel is the prophecy Paul spoke of when he said “ ungodliness shall be removed from Jacob”. This sign of the Holy Spirit being poured out on Israel is also the sign of the “sealing” of the 12 tribes of Israel as shown in the Revelation.

Also notice the prophecy of them “looking on me whom they had pierced” and the tribes of the earth “mourning.” This also has to do with the coming of the Lord.

Revelation 1:7

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eyeshall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

 

The tribes of Israel will be mourning, or wailing as it says in the prophecy in Zechariah 12.

 

Jesus confirms this prophecy here…

 

Matthew 24:30

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all “the tribes of the earth mourn,”and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.”

 

So though the fullness of the Gentiles is yet future ( 6th seal signs) after that God shall pour out His Spirit on the 12 tribes of Israel, and they shall be in mourning when they realize that Jesus Christ was the Messiah.

 

 

I don't really see how that makes the connection with Israel's restoration and a generation, and the signs of Jesus nearness. 

I'm just saying that Israel's restoration in 1948 isn't a sign for which we are told to look and that same restoration isn't a signal of the nearness of the Lord's coming.

[Stewardofthemystery]

42 minutes ago, Diaste said:

I'm just saying that Israel's restoration in 1948 isn't a sign for which we are told to look and that same restoration isn't a signal of the nearness of the Lord's coming.

In order for Zechariah 12 to be fulfilled the Jews have to be in Jerusalem…

“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.”

One could say this prophecy is happening right now.

Also I would make the point, that “every power”that is at work, both physical and spiritual is “ordained by God.”
 

 

Romans 13:1

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be “are ordained of God.”

 

So how did Israel become a Nation in 1948 without the foreknowledge of God, or without being “ordained by God”.

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

On 10/28/2023 at 5:17 AM, Diaste said:

The 1948 restoration of Israel is not a prophetic sign of the nearness of the Return of the King.

 

Actually it is. Isaiah 66:7-8 specifically prophesized that Israel would become a nation in a single day which is what happened in 1948. 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

20 hours ago, douggg said:

And not a divided kingdom, north and south, but one unified kingdom.    Not ruled by two kings, north and south,  but one king as the nation will again be one unified kingdom..

Those things have been fulfilled.   May 14, 1948.

Israel right now is greatly divided up,
by many military checkpoints on the various crossroads,
and divided into 3 territories with 2 distinct governing bodies;
The West Bank, Israel, and the Gaza strip.
With one "Palestinian" authority ruling certain sections,
and an "Israeli" authority ruling others.
To the extreme point that there is a Muslim temple
on the place where the real temple was.
The place now is not unified whatsoever at all.
Ezekiel 37:22,
a verse many want to claim was fulfilled in 1948, says:
"..neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all"
that is a repeated sentiment in the verse, showing clearly
that when God restores Israel, it would not be divided whatsoever at all,
but rather fully restored, and its people restored, from even death.
That is a big part of the reason why resurrection is what happened,
to demonstrate and prove that it is resurrection that will be happening.

 

The land that was given to the Hebrews includes about half of what is called Jordan today, and the Gaza strip (see my avatar and Joshua 22)
Clearly what they had has not been restored to them.

 

Clearly Ezekiel 37 - 39 is giving the same order given in Revelation 20.

Ezekiel 37:1-15 = Resurrections
Ezekiel 37:15-24 = Reign (an actual resurrected David as promised Jeremiah 30:9)
Ezekiel 38 and 39 = Gog and Magog

Revelation 20:4-5 = Resurrections
Revelation 20:5-7 = Reign
Revelation 20:7-10 = Gog and Magog

The above is self evident from the texts themselves.
They are giving the same prophecy in different ways.

Paul also refers to Ezekiel 37:10-12 as a promise of resurrection
"the promise made of God unto our fathers"
"Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you that God should raise the dead?" Acts 26:5-8 [Acts 23:5-8]
There are prophecies concerning resurrection; Job 19:26, Isaiah 26:19
Psalm 16:10 but there is only one place where God Himself promises
resurrection to the nation of Israel as a whole; Ezekiel 37:10-12
as such that can be the only passage Paul was referring to.
 

 

 

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

16 hours ago, douggg said:

1967 + 70 years = 2037  minus the 7 years... Gog/Magog must begin no later than the end of 2030.

Yes 2037.

Seventy CAPTIVITIES are determined upon thy people
and upon thy holy city. Daniel 9:24

Daniel was reading Jeremiah 25
and was inside of a 70 year captivity. [Daniel 1:21]
Himself being almost 70 years older and in Babylon,
and reading Jeremiah, he therefore understood
that the captivity would be 70 years, [Daniel 9:2]
and therefore was expecting what Jeremiah 25:8,12,26 says
to happen. And therefore was praying to God to spare Jerusalem.
Daniel 9:2-16

Gabriel comes and tells Daniel that 70 such captivities would happen!

Not seventy weeks, seventy captivities.
And so after 32 captivities shall Messiah suffer the death penalty but not for Himself. Daniel 9:26

Seventy, 70 year periods of time is 4,900 total years.
32 captivities is 2240 years and then the Messiah would suffer,
and so there would be 2660 years worth of captivity after that.

And we can see multiple captivities over time,
the Babylonian captivity, the Roman captivity ending 70 ad,
and the crusades starting around 1090.

And in 1967 a captivity started, which captivity should be evident today.
Just as the Bible says, the Messiah is coming
to be a swift witness against false swearers, and
them that turn aside the stranger from his right.
Malachi 3:5, Obadiah 1:1-21, Ezekiel 35, Isaiah 65:5

1967 + 70 = 2037

By that time the captivity should end, according to Jeremiah 25
there is world wide destruction at the end of captivity.

I believe the last captivity will be that of the wounded/healed king
and false prophet.

Around the end of this captivity a temple likely gets built,
we can see even now, if what they are doing is taken to the fullest
blowing up what is on the mount surely follows,
in fact one has to wonder why they did not blow it up in 1967.

 

Gog and Magog happens after the 1000 years.

to a people that;

"..are at rest that dwell safely, all of them dwelling
without bars or gates"
Ezekiel 38:11

that does not describe the Israel of our time,
today they do dwell with bars and gates
and solders guarding their settlements,
and with constant terror and unrest.

"Gog and Magog... Persia, Ethiopia.. Gomer..Togramah..
and many people with you"
Ezekiel 38:1-6

"as a cloud to cover the land"
Ezekiel 38:16

"they went up on the breath of the earth"
Revelation 20:9

(airplanes)

"I will rain upon him... fire and brimstone"
Ezekiel 38:22

"a fire came down from God out of the sky
and devoured them all"
Revelation 20:10

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Revelation Man]

On 10/31/2023 at 3:04 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

I understand perfectly well that the peaceful people Ezekiel wrote will dwell safely in the land of Israel before Gog invades that land in Ezekiel 38 were taken up out of their graves and gatherd by the Lord and given his holy spirit in Ezekiel 37.

What you don't comprehend is the people in Ezekiel 38 have not risen from the dead yet and are still in their graves or some haven't even died yet.

You believe if a Jew moves from one country to another then they have received God's holy spirit.You believe if a Jew follows the beast into the promised land then they dwell safely.That is just plain wrong and you are definitely wrong.You can't get anymore wrong.

 

You are not reading the passage correctly. The passage says the are brought back into Israel as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, but the t says they get BREATHED ON LATER (That means the come to know their God later). WELL YEA !! After the time of the Gentiles [SERVICE] is come full (via the Pre Trib Rapture).

So, I believe NOT what you think  believe, I believe what the passage says, which you do not seem to grasp. I neve stated they received the Holy Spirit because that only happen in Zech. 13:8 just a few days before the DOTL falls in Zech. 14:1 I understand that they are BLINDED until the church is Raptured, you see, you have to understand the timing of the Rapture or nothing is ever going to be very clear at all. 

Israel are now Dwelling safely in her land, because she's at peace with her imm4ediate neighbors, that is all it means. So, back when Ezekiel nor any person lived in unwalled cities, he knew saying UNWALLED would be seen as PEACE, so he shows the nations that go to war against them when they have PEACE with their immediate neighbors who are never seen in THAT Gog and Magog war. 

I am correct on prophecy, you are guessing badly. 

[Shilohsfoal]

51 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

You are not reading the passage correctly. The passage says the are brought back into Israel as the WHOLE HOUSE of Israel, but the t says they get BREATHED ON LATER (That means the come to know their God later). WELL YEA !! After the time of the Gentiles [SERVICE] is come full (via the Pre Trib Rapture).

So, I believe NOT what you think  believe, I believe what the passage says, which you do not seem to grasp. I neve stated they received the Holy Spirit because that only happen in Zech. 13:8 just a few days before the DOTL falls in Zech. 14:1 I understand that they are BLINDED until the church is Raptured, you see, you have to understand the timing of the Rapture or nothing is ever going to be very clear at all. 

Israel are now Dwelling safely in her land, because she's at peace with her imm4ediate neighbors, that is all it means. So, back when Ezekiel nor any person lived in unwalled cities, he knew saying UNWALLED would be seen as PEACE, so he shows the nations that go to war against them when they have PEACE with their immediate neighbors who are never seen in THAT Gog and Magog war. 

I am correct on prophecy, you are guessing badly. 

It's you who is not reading the passage correctly.You believe this is a bad guess.Well here is the word of the Lord.You should try to hear it if you can.

 

Ezekiel 37

¹³ And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

¹⁴ And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 

The correct sequence of events are listed as such

1 -God shall open their graves

2- God shall bring them up out of their graves

3-God shall put his spirit in them .

4-God shall place them in their own land.

 

All this takes place when Jesus comes.Christ gathering his elect into their own land takes place after he has raised them from their graves and given them life.

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[douggg]

4 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Israel right now is greatly divided up,
by many military checkpoints on the various crossroads,
and divided into 3 territories with 2 distinct governing bodies;
The West Bank, Israel, and the Gaza strip.

Ezekiel 37, undivided is specific to no longer being the northern kingdom of Ephraim, and the southern kingdom of Judah.

 

3 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

Gog and Magog happens after the 1000 years.

In Ezekiel 39, the Gog/Magog event is in Ezekiel 39:1-16.    There are 7 years that follow the destruction of Gog's army in Ezekiel 39:9-10.

Then there is the Armageddon event in Ezekiel 39:17-20.    It corresponds to Revelation 19:17-18.

Ezekiel 39:21-29 is Jesus speaking in the text having return to this earth.

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The reference to Gog and Magog in Revelation 20 means it will be the same nations that made up the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog/Magog event a thousand years earlier.

 

 

Edited November 2, 2023 by douggg