Aren't We Supposed To Keep This Custom For The Sabbath As Jesus Did In Luke 4:16?

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

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Col 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

And it also shows "His rest" on the seventh day in Genesis as it speaks in Hebrews of "entering that rest"

Heb 3:6-19 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm   unto the end. Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

And says, "Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest" here

Heb 4:1-11 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith  in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although  the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:  Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Of course speaking of here

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work  which he had made. which verse is quoted again in Hebrews 4:4 which is  originally from Psalm 95:7-11

The quoted verse in Hebrews is taken from Psalm 95:7

Psalm 95:7-11 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. Today if ye will hear his voice,  Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me,  and saw my work. Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have  not known my ways: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter  into my rest. (See also Hebrews 4:7)

Shows the rest remains to be entered into

Heb 4:7-8  Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Heb 3:12-15 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

 

Edited December 22, 2023 by AFlameOfFire

[Neighbor]

13 hours ago, Who me said:

Jesus made it clear that ritual and ceremonial  places are meaningless.

He did? 

[Ray12614]

I agree with all the postings (previous to this point) quoting the scriptures regarding observing of various 'holy days'.

I do NOT agree with the conclusions about them to stay home and forsake the assembling together as the body of Christ in corporate worship and prayer that we now call 'going to church'. Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

You all do what you want to (like I could convince you otherwise . . . ) but I will take the clear direction of scripture given via the Holy Spirit speaking though the apostle and I will assemble together corporately with my brothers and sisters in Christ. There are many reasons 'why' we need to do that. Frankly, God is much smarter then any of us, so I will defer to Him and not bum advice from those who hate the church.

[other one]

18 hours ago, TrueFollowerOfChrist said:

The Sabbath is part of Jewish law. Jesus and the apostles obeyed it, but it's not intended for Christians. We are not under Jewish law. 

Jesus freely admitted that he was working on the Sabbath, which was strictly forbidden by the fourth commandment.

It is true that they went to the synagogue on the Sabbath, but that is where you go to speak to large groups of Jewish people. And was plainly stated as a custom, not law.  Certainly not the 4th commandment

[Who me]

On 12/22/2023 at 10:37 AM, Neighbor said:

He did? 

Try John 4:21 ‘Woman,’ Jesus replied, ‘believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshippers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshippers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshippers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.’

 

He has said true worship wi.l not take place in a temple.

[Ray12614]

On 12/22/2023 at 5:10 PM, other one said:

Jesus freely admitted that he was working on the Sabbath, which was strictly forbidden by the fourth commandment.

It is true that they went to the synagogue on the Sabbath, but that is where you go to speak to large groups of Jewish people. And was plainly stated as a custom, not law.  Certainly not the 4th commandment

Certainly we are Not under Jewish law, I fully agree on that point. No need to go to an temple and offer sacrifices, keep legalistic commands, and think that just because we have been in an house of worship that we have worshiped. It is true that we must worship God in spirit and in truth (there is a lot to say about that too), It is true that assemblies of Christians do not have to happen on Sunday, yet, it appears that was the custom in the NT.

BUT I am talking about the 'assembly' with other believers (which appears to be the big elephant in the corner of the room) that many don't want to talk about. The assembly of believers is not limited to church buildings, nor, is it excluded from assemblies inside church buildings. We see this assembly was assumed and practiced by the early church in the NT epistles and recorded in Acts. This really isn't rocket science . . . How can you encourage others and be encouraged and exhorted if you remove yourself from the assembly of the believers corporately? Are some of us reading this the 'some' who have 'forsaken the assembly' talked about in Hebrews 10:25?

Speaking of which . . . I must get ready for church where I assemble regularly with my church family . . . 

Merry Christmas!  Grace and Peace . . . . Ray . . .  

[other one]

4 hours ago, Ray12614 said:

Certainly we are Not under Jewish law, I fully agree on that point. No need to go to an temple and offer sacrifices, keep legalistic commands, and think that just because we have been in an house of worship that we have worshiped. It is true that we must worship God in spirit and in truth (there is a lot to say about that too), It is true that assemblies of Christians do not have to happen on Sunday, yet, it appears that was the custom in the NT.

BUT I am talking about the 'assembly' with other believers (which appears to be the big elephant in the corner of the room) that many don't want to talk about. The assembly of believers is not limited to church buildings, nor, is it excluded from assemblies inside church buildings. We see this assembly was assumed and practiced by the early church in the NT epistles and recorded in Acts. This really isn't rocket science . . . How can you encourage others and be encouraged and exhorted if you remove yourself from the assembly of the believers corporately? Are some of us reading this the 'some' who have 'forsaken the assembly' talked about in Hebrews 10:25?

Speaking of which . . . I must get ready for church where I assemble regularly with my church family . . . 

Merry Christmas!  Grace and Peace . . . . Ray . . .  

We are supposed to assemble, the word clearly tells us that, but not necessarily on any one day.   However if you were going to preach to Jews, that is where you would find them on the sabbath.    SDA's also.   

[Charlie744]

I don’t believe this is a Jewish question. 

I don’t believe His crucifixion eliminated/removed/done away with the keeping of the Sabbath or any of His 10 Commandments. 

I don’t believe the Sabbath is a “ceremony.”

 Don’t believe Constantine, pagan or papal Rome or ANY man has the right to change the Word of God no matter how he justifies it. 
 

God created a 7th day AFTER He completed His work. This was the only day He made Holy.  Man has no ability that make anything Holy and has no authority to change His Word. The Sabbath was made for MAN not the Jews. 

Jesus obeyed EVERY command of His Father and of course, this included the Sabbath. 
 

The Sabbath will be just as Holy today or tomorrow as it was when God made it. The Sabbath will be ignored no differently than it was after the fall. 

There is absolutely nothing in the NT that speaks to the changing/removal/doing away of the Sabbath. The Levitical ceremonies were surely done away with because their “mission” was fulfilled- no less than the Temple, the Sanctuary, the animal sacrifices, etc. These were a type and shadow of the things that the Messiah would fulfill and do away with - their mission was over. 
 

That cannot be said of the Sabbath that was created by God in the beginning. It is not something to be “fulfilled” - it is not a “type or shadow.” 
 

It is a Holy day set aside by God to spent time with Him. 

[Wayne222]

7 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I don’t believe this is a Jewish question. 

I don’t believe His crucifixion eliminated/removed/done away with the keeping of the Sabbath or any of His 10 Commandments. 

I don’t believe the Sabbath is a “ceremony.”

 Don’t believe Constantine, pagan or papal Rome or ANY man has the right to change the Word of God no matter how he justifies it. 
 

God created a 7th day AFTER He completed His work. This was the only day He made Holy.  Man has no ability that make anything Holy and has no authority to change His Word. The Sabbath was made for MAN not the Jews. 

Jesus obeyed EVERY command of His Father and of course, this included the Sabbath. 
 

The Sabbath will be just as Holy today or tomorrow as it was when God made it. The Sabbath will be ignored no differently than it was after the fall. 

There is absolutely nothing in the NT that speaks to the changing/removal/doing away of the Sabbath. The Levitical ceremonies were surely done away with because their “mission” was fulfilled- no less than the Temple, the Sanctuary, the animal sacrifices, etc. These were a type and shadow of the things that the Messiah would fulfill and do away with - their mission was over. 
 

That cannot be said of the Sabbath that was created by God in the beginning. It is not something to be “fulfilled” - it is not a “type or shadow.” 
 

It is a Holy day set aside by God to spent time with Him. 

Jesus is our rest. We rest from our works and trust in his finish work. The sabbath was a shadow of that. To keep the 7 day sabbath as a commandment is to not trust in him as our rest. You can rest on the 7 day as a custom to draw nearer to God if you want. It’s not a sin to not keep the sabbath. But if a person does not call Jesus lord then he is under the law. 

[Charlie744]

58 minutes ago, Wayne222 said:

Jesus is our rest. We rest from our works and trust in his finish work. The sabbath was a shadow of that. To keep the 7 day sabbath as a commandment is to not trust in him as our rest. You can rest on the 7 day as a custom to draw nearer to God if you want. It’s not a sin to not keep the sabbath. But if a person does not call Jesus lord then he is under the law. 

Everyone MUST believe in the Messiah and His work on the cross, but that has nothing to do with the keeping of either His Father’s 10 Commandments or the Sabbath that was created at the beginning of the world. It is the only Holy day created by God. 
 

Jesus did not come to do away with the law, but to fulfill them (fulfill does NOT mean eliminating/doing away with them. 
 

Jesus specifically called us to keep His commandments!

However, you have the right to believe what you want to believe.