What About The Palestinians ?

[D. Adrien]

Another aspect to this is how aid money is spent. On one side there is an economy, development and industry, a civilized culture. on the other side, having financial contributions from various nations, NGOs and other entities, what exactly has been done to better the lives of the populace? 

[Starise]

29 minutes ago, FJK said:

If those things mean trying to survive in an aggressively hostile international environment that supports or actively tries to exterminate them, yes.

In a war you either kill the enemy till they are gone or they surrender and stop being your enemy or you die at their hands.  Leaving a living enemy behind you ends up getting you a bayonet in your back and it starts all over again on a grander scale.

In my day it was the Vietcong who were my enemies in war.  While I'm sure there were many very fine people on their side that doesn't change the fact that they were shooting at me with the intent of killing me and that made them my enemy.

This is the nature of war, it's been that way since the earliest days of mankind.

I totally agree. In many ways we have left the 'enemy' behind. We left viet namm, so I can't say that was a victory and we still have that influence over there. We stopped fighting in Korea and now we have a mess in North Korea. We left Afghanistan just like the Russians. 

These were wars we were fronting among other situations we backed out of.. IN this case we are in league with another nation so I think we need to be very careful. Of course nothing I think matters here so far as what they are going to do. We also have China to think about. Remember this is what killed Hitler in spreading himself too thin and conquesting too far.

In this case we are a divided nation with one of our presidents siding with muslims and watering down our heritage. 

So what I think we need is directed resolve and to know who the real enemy is and single them out. We have the tech to do that now better than it has ever been. A lot of that specific targeting has been successful. If they seek to kill us, we kill them. What other solution is there?  If they are caught in the flow of war and are totally innocent under a ruthless leader, we minimize it and if we show those people real love and concern, they have no more reason to call us the enemy.

If OTOH, we see all of them in that over generalized way as 'enemies' we risk horrific things that didn't have to happen. As we seen in viet namm, there are things that happend that are too evil to discuss that OUR troops did to innocent, some of them by loopy murderous commanders. Not all. I understand that was also a confusing war.

Would you say Israel is doing something similar right now? Or do we even know exacly what they are doing. I doubt we know the half of it. They have to do what they have to do. Hopefully everyone sees both side of this. 

[Neighbor]

Hard to put up walls, great walls "big beautiful walls" and then think well I'll go visit the unfortunate  and share about with my good fortune; and then leave them. 

[FJK]

19 minutes ago, Starise said:

So what I think we need is directed resolve and to know who the real enemy is and single them out.

To quote a famous philosopher, "We have met the enemy and he is us".

[Neighbor]

God's will gets worked out over many decades and generations, not commonly in a blitz. The present conflict as awful as it is may set the stage for a very long mission ahead. Can't be "Missionary For A Day!", got to be in it for the long haul. 

God's word is often not well received until a series of serious afflictions present themselves, and then  upon but a few.

[FJK]

2 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Hard to put up walls, great walls "big beautiful walls" and then think well I'll go visit the unfortunate  and share about with my good fortune; and then leave them.

In another post elsewhere you brought up the idea of selling War Bonds to pay for our wars.

I actually think this is a good idea, War Bonds to support war paid for by those who want them.

I think this would also be a good idea regarding migrants, Migrant Bonds to support migrants paid for by those who want them.

But it doesn't work that way in the real world, money is taken from one group that has worked for it, to their detriment, to benefit another that didn't work for it to their gain.

[Neighbor]

6 minutes ago, FJK said:

To quote a famous philosopher, "We have met the enemy and he is us".

Pogo's Walt Kelly. Funny yes, but is it so? No I don't believe it is. Each individual is solely responsible for their action and thought, but each are also affected by the generations  preceding and will affect those following, with very few learning from either.

So what to do about a cluster of people facing dire straits? Build a wall build it quickly evidently as  Egypt is doing right now to keep those Gaza strip refugees out of their barren land. Wonder what they see as so terrible about those from Gaza that they don't want them in to help build a prosperous Egypt.

 

[other one]

There won't be peace there until either the Jews all leave, or the Palestinians are all dead.  It's sad, but it's the situation.   That's why God told them to kill everything that drew breath when they went into the land from Egypt thousands of years ago.

We should remember that the general population in Gaza voted Hamas as the governing body there, and from all I have heard and read, they haven't changed their minds.

[Know Jah]

Jesus stated those who take up the sword will die by the sword.

[FJK]

12 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

So what to do about a cluster of people facing dire straits?

First ask why you have that cluster, because therein will you find both the cause of it and the answer to it.

Eliminate the cause, eliminate the problem.  If you find what you are doing is not making the problem go away then you have failed to find the cause and address it.