A WAKE-UP CALL?

[other one]

1 hour ago, LaMonte said:

But let me ask you this: whose example are we to follow? The answer for me is Jesus Christ. Did Jesus involve Himself in the politics of His day? Think of what a difference He could have made if He had entered government.

What country when Jesus was here let their people select all their government people?  I do think if Jesus were here in the USA today he would vote for the people he thought best.

[tatwo]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

In my poll, I asked a straightforward yes or no question.

True Dennis...you did...however for those of us alive today...the recollection of 60 some elections over a 248 year period including a 150'ish candidates is incomplete at best...its not the right question.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

One of the top questions Christians are asking today is where America is in biblical prophecy. First, I want to clarify that I do not know the fate of America or God’s plans and purposes for our nation.

Allow me to clarify it for you Dennis...America as a nation "is" and "has been" created by, lead, guided, steered, driven or controlled by the spiritual forces of darkness all along...the same as all other nations...Americas fate as a nation is the same as Israel's fate as a nation...desolation. American have been sold and bought a grand illusion...and it is becoming more obvious week by week. 

Americans are already experiencing the beginnings of its desolation and so is the church with in it..."she"...Americas church like America itself is thinking "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked." 

The Lord...since the Pentecost immediately following his resurrection...is no longer concerning Himself with "nations" as a whole as He did with Israel. Let the failure of Israel be your perfect example...Christ is building His spiritual Kingdom on earth in complete juxtaposition to all the evil godless nations of the earth...and He is going to crush them all as He appears.

What's the point of voting or even democracy when understood in the light of eternal truth?

Tatwo...:) 

[Sower]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

Allow me to clarify it for you Dennis...America as a nation "is" and "has been" created by, lead, guided, steered, driven or controlled by the spiritual forces of darkness all along

To keep my testimony, I will only say, you statement is wrong. Discussion with you I believe would be fruitless.

                   God bless America.

      Thank you and God bless you, tatwo..

[warrior12]

I just finished watching a youtube video titled

FRANCE 24 exclusive report in Haiti : the Iron Grip of the Gangs • FRANCE 24 English'.

It is really  heartbreaking to see what people who are struggling to survive has to endure from their very own people, thugs, who form gangs and have taken over the country and doing whatever they please. 

As believers, we have a hope and trust in God the Lord Jesus Christ to see us through no matter the circumstances. That takes faith and resolution that will test the believer to his very core, when he faces the forces in human flesh , whom we know are controlled by the demons who come to  kill and destroy.  I will not mentioned some of the things that can happen, yes in the mighty USA.   Upwards of ten million people were let into the country without solid background checks ect.   This you'all know, but just repeating for the sake of the conversation here.

During covid in Canada, there was put in place restrictions of travel by plane of train to another country or provice for  those who did not take the jab, and did not have proof .   A snap election was called and though I knew who was going to win, I still went and vote as my way of objection to those laws .   I felt like I was a prisoner and though I did not vote for many years , felt that am standing up against evil.   

As to the OP question, I think it should be for the whole world to answer, even though they are not citizens of the USA.   Who holds the whole truth of what is taking place and will in the days to come, I sure don't but, discernment and my personal experience points to teriffying times ahead.   Will a vote count, it is everyone to decide as when tragedy befalls your loved ones today, we still seek the assistance of the professionals that are trained to do their job, while we offer up our own prayer and supplication.  Do you want a repeat of the last 4yrs, then act accordingly.

[tatwo]

Brothers and sisters...

The time that is now upon mankind "globally" is dire...global food systems are being destroyed...the global economy is collapsing along with many or most of the financial markets. The "bio-jab" has maimed...sickened and killed uncounted millions...the surveillance/control complex is being finalized...the censoring of all forms of media is in full swing, people are mainly being fed the globalist propaganda and they do not realize this or the power therein. The governments of the world are exceedingly deceptive.

Health care has turned into the "medical industrial complex"...world and civil wars are occurring and yet forth coming...marshal law is being instituted in various nations and every form of lust and pride must be tolerated. Energy systems are being down sized and dismantled...and increasingly...the nations military and law enforcement is being used to bring a nations constituency under control. 

Hunger and starvation is increasing alarmingly and steadily over the past few years...Americas beef cattle herd is the same size or smaller than it was 70 years ago when they first started recording it according to the USDA...and...the population was millions less then.

Rampant inflation is exacting untold suffering upon humanity...interest rates have paralyzed many markets...entire nations are in unpayable debt scenarios and economic crisis...it's being downplayed...via propaganda. 

The truth is that the Lord told John that all of this would happen...and when.

This is not a time to be discussing elections...or anything outside of the Lord's direction...this is a time for the spiritually mature to rise up as they are called to do...and lead the Body of Christ forth into the Lords will.

Everything I have mentioned here in this post is happening to some degree...and it is increasing...I have been watching it for nearly 20 years.

The Lord Yahshua Christ has been and is...preparing His Body...His temple...His house...His Kingdom...His sons...for the unstoppable battle that is upon us now. Do not trust in the ways of men who are dark and perverse...our Lord will have nothing to do with them except executing their judgment...so neither should we.

We must find our prophetic pathway if we have not...it is illuminated and prepared in abundance by our Father with our complete provision and protection.

The enemies trap is to seduce mans soul via its lustful and prideful desire to provide and protect for itself...this is what happened to Adam and Eve. Once they fell...and no longer identified as the sons of God they found themselves "naked"...the glory of God that was their garment had departed...they needed to provide for themselves..."clothing"...and then they "hid" themselves from God in an attempt to "protect" themselves...from Him?

The "world" is the dragons trap...it plays upon the the weakness of human soul...lust and pride...the dragon knows both the bible and the human soul better than humans do...he even tried to twist the scriptures in his attempt to deceive the Lord Himself. 

It's time to turn from carnality and immaturity in as much as we can...the beasts economy requires a mark a number and a name for participation...and that will prove to be a lie. The Lord's economy is abundant for His sons...their life will exactly mimic His.

In the Kingdom of God...death is not looked at in the same way it is in the world and in fear.

Wake up people of the most high God...while there is yet time...challenging scenarios which will perfect the "son of God" are now and just ahead...and unavoidable...because it is obedience to the Lord in these sacrifices and sufferings that will reveal the true nature of our God and Father through us as witnessed in the Lord Yahshua Christ...to the inhabitants of the earth.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

11 minutes ago, Sower said:

To keep my testimony, I will only say, you statement is wrong. Discussion with you I believe would be fruitless.

Keep your testimony Sower...protect it like you do your life...its yours...though your character has already been openly revealed...and you like it...it brings you comfort...assuring you that you are OK. Perhaps similar to the comfort that the thought of a pre-tribulation rapture brings to multitudes of believers who fear tribulation and misunderstand Gods wrath.

Additionally as you have already stated...you don't have the ground spiritually...to objectively discuss the subject matter with me or likely anyone else who might deviate from the perspective which you espouse in this case...its fruitless to you because you simply do not agree...I accept that Sower...it is your religion.

Yet...allow me if you might...to ask you...is it fear that stops you from this discussion...fear that you may be exposed to something that is not congruous with what you have learned...your personal opinion or the basis of your faith in the matter? Or do you perhaps already have this all settled within yourself to the point that you cannot be disturbed...by the thoughts of a brother? Maybe there is the thought that engaging in discussion with me on this subject may in someway taint your testimony?

Regardless...pay attention brother...do as you will...you have been apprised of that which is deceptive. The storm is here...unsuspectingly for most...brought on by the dark invisible traitors...who secretly run this nation and are taking the world as their own...as it was prophesied they would. The son of God will prevail...judgement has been rendered in the favor of the saints. If your hope in is America...that ship is sunk.

Tatwo...:)

[LaMonte]

“When the church joined with the state, it tended to exercise power rather than grace.” 

      We are ambassador is an official representative of a king or government. Christians are God’s ambassadors in that they have been “sent by God to be preach the gospel”. As we go through this world, we represent another Kingdom” Jn 18:36”, and it is our responsibility to represent this Kingdom. We are in this world, but not of it “Jn 17:16”. God’s ambassadors are to be “as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves” Matt 10:16”. Empowered by the Holy Spirit, we must take the message of our King to the “ends of the earth” Acts 1:8”, imploring men and women everywhere to be reconciled to God. 

     An ambassador of Christ is a representative of Christ's kingdom, and teachings, we are sent to proclaim His message of salvation, grace, and reconciliation to the world through His Body called the Church 1 Cor 12:13. This Church is not an organization, it is a living body of Called out ones.

      Christ's disciples live in this present world as if they were foreigners, guests of the nations where they reside, as ambassadors for Christ and His coming Kingdom. When God calls a person to repentance and conversion, He summons them to forsake former allegiances and transfer all loyalty to Christ and His Kingdom.

      We have one message to share with the world. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

 

[LaMonte]

     I am not A conservative or liberal, I am not well educated, I never have done anything great according to the world standards. But I have lived for 80 years, I have 11 grandchildren and eight great-grandchildren, I have been married 56 years, been a believer in Jesus Christ for 56 yrs. also.

      I fall short in what I am going to say but it is my desire.

      There is one thing which means everything to me, that is the Lord Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Vision. I think of Him and feel His present throughout the day. My love for Him is growing every day, not lessens as time goes on. Therefore, I cannot carry on a friendship, or even a conversation without relating it to the Hope I have through Him. The faith that I have in Him along with His Holy Spirit drives and guides my life. I evaluate people, books, ideas and actions according to the Word of God and the Hope of His coming.

     Perhaps a more telling question might be, "Are we willing to live on bread in order to preach the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ?" Did Jesus pay the price and live in poverty so that the apostles and believers that followed didn't have to? Did they live lives of ease and luxury leave a legacy of established kingdoms in this world? Did they build great institutions, naming great churches, universities and seminaries after themselves as is the practice today? Let Paul's words suffice:

     But sometimes I think God has put us apostles on display, like prisoners of war at the end of a victor's parade, condemned to die. We have become a spectacle to the entire world--to people and angels alike. Our dedication to Christ makes us look like fools, but you are so wise! We are weak, but you are so powerful! You are well thought of, but we are laughed at. To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, without enough clothes to keep us warm. We have endured many beatings, and we have no homes of our own. We have worked wearily with our own hands to earn our living. We bless those who curse us. We are patient with those who abuse us. We respond gently when evil things are said about us. Yet we are treated like the world's garbage, like everybody’s trash--right up to the present moment. (1 Corinthians 4:9-13, NLT)

[AnOrangeCat]

7 hours ago, Lilybloom said:

I'm not personally in support of Trump nor with the bend of Christianity in recent times to get so heavily involved in politics. It's a religious movement, not a political one. The marrying of politics into the religious body leads to this phenomenon, where so many priests and pastors go on about politics and useless worldly matters rather than the meat of the faith itself.

I agree in a lot of ways. At some point Christianity seemed to become a cultural element of America, and through that became a political force. Politicians had to at least pay lip service to Christianity. I notice that this has diminished greatly over the course of my lifetime, though.

Where I differ is in this. The ability to vote is/was a blessing and a gift from God. I say was because I strongly believe that over time we effectively lost it when it comes to the top levels of government. Now it's media and big money that effectively call the shots there and we're left with more of an illusion of democracy than democracy itself. If God gives us something we should by all means use it if it's within our calling. It's like Paul's body of Christ analogy. Not all of us are politicians or have a gift for swaying public opinion. Those that can use it, should. I get what you mean, though. It's become like a reversal of the situation where our leaders had to at least pay attention to Christian opinions and perceptions. Now it's the church that seems to pay lip service to politics, which is really unfortunate.

9 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

In my poll, I asked a straightforward yes or no question.

One of the top questions Christians are asking today is where America is in biblical prophecy. First, I want to clarify that I do not know the fate of America or God’s plans and purposes for our nation.

I'm inclined to say no, probably not the most important in American history. In our lifetimes? Maybe. It's a very high profile and interesting election due to the unusual circumstances like Biden dropping out and Trump bringing up the possibility of a third term on several occasions. I'm personally not a fan of either candidate. To me they're both just different flavors of bad news. Congress doesn't get as much visibility but as a collective they're very important for the nation's future as well. They can make or break a presidency.