Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

[The Light]

What is your opinion. Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

Is there any evidence that the 70th week has begun?

Edited October 20, 2024 by The Light

[WilliamL]

17 minutes ago, The Light said:

What is your opinion. Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

Is there any evidence that the 70th week has begun?

The 70th week began in 66 AD and ended in 73 AD. Thorough examination of the scriptural and historical evidence here:

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[NConly]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

What is your opinion. Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

Is there any evidence that the 70th week has begun?

We are seeing the gathering of nations now and the U.N. is pushing it. I think it want take long, a few years at most, to complete the gathering and make a plan then all out war. So I am thinking it must have started some where in the sixties. All  out war want last long certainly not years.

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

What is your opinion. Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

Is there any evidence that the 70th week has begun?

You have already gotten my answer. With scripture.

[Charlie744]

6 hours ago, The Light said:

What is your opinion. Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

Is there any evidence that the 70th week has begun?

Yes, it began after the end of the 69th week as prophecized in Daniel and began just like any other time element - the next day, when the Messiah was baptized in the Jordan and He was anointed by His Father. This began His ministry that was "set aside" for the Messiah to fulfill His God given mission (9:24) --- and He did within the 3.5 years of the last 7 years. 

The 70 weeks of years prophecy was given to Daniel to reveal, after his prayer for foregiveness for himself and his people, to record how God would restore them and His city back from exile.  Included in the prophecy was what was to be restored, who is obligated to restore it, the timing of those parts of the restoration process. And each party, both Jesus and His people would complete their respective parts in the restoration. This is all recorded in verses 24 and 25 - the "restorative" verses.

However, we also find in verses 26 and 27 the two "destructive" verses that reveal the same elements that were restored in 24 and 25 would also be destroyed. This was caused by the Jews rejecting their Messiah. Consequently, these two verses would identify those elements that were destroyed, the timing of them and parties involved. This is also seen in a chiastic structure of these 4 verses.

All was completely restored from the Babylonian exile and all would be destroyed as a result of the cross.

The long term results or consequences for BOTH sets of the two verses - the restorative and the destructive can be found to last for the next 2000 years. Everything within His prophecy was fulfilled / completed exactly as it was supposed to. There is nothing that was prophecized that was not fulfilled / completed during the 70 weeks... but, once again, the results and consequences continue until this day.

 

[The Light]

4 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Yes, it began after the end of the 69th week as prophecized in Daniel and began just like any other time element - the next day, when the Messiah was baptized in the Jordan and He was anointed by His Father. This began His ministry that was "set aside" for the Messiah to fulfill His God given mission (9:24) --- and He did within the 3.5 years of the last 7 years. 

The 70 weeks of years prophecy was given to Daniel to reveal, after his prayer for foregiveness for himself and his people, to record how God would restore them and His city back from exile.  Included in the prophecy was what was to be restored, who is obligated to restore it, the timing of those parts of the restoration process. And each party, both Jesus and His people would complete their respective parts in the restoration. This is all recorded in verses 24 and 25 - the "restorative" verses.

However, we also find in verses 26 and 27 the two "destructive" verses that reveal the same elements that were restored in 24 and 25 would also be destroyed. This was caused by the Jews rejecting their Messiah. Consequently, these two verses would identify those elements that were destroyed, the timing of them and parties involved. This is also seen in a chiastic structure of these 4 verses.

All was completely restored from the Babylonian exile and all would be destroyed as a result of the cross.

The long term results or consequences for BOTH sets of the two verses - the restorative and the destructive can be found to last for the next 2000 years. Everything within His prophecy was fulfilled / completed exactly as it was supposed to. There is nothing that was prophecized that was not fulfilled / completed during the 70 weeks... but, once again, the results and consequences continue until this day.

 

I believe this to be incorrect based on Daniel 9

Daniel 9

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The 70th week could not begin until there is a covenant with many for one week.

[Charlie744]

Just now, The Light said:

I believe this to be incorrect based on Daniel 9

Daniel 9

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The 70th week could not begin until there is a covenant with many for one week.

Thanks for your response. The "covenant" is the "New Covenant"identified in Jeremiah 31:31-34. This New Covenant was indeed fulfilled when, after the cross, God would send His Holy Spirit on Pentecost. That certainly happened and it is available to anyone, Jew or Greek who places their faith in the Messiah. This is the same covenant that was given to Mo. He has ses on Mt. Sinai, but better! Now, His covenant is not written on the scrolls, they are no longer within the Levitical ceremonial system. Now, God will and has put HIs Word / His commandments / His Testimony WITHIN the hearts of anyone accepting Him as their Lord and Savior. So, you can see just how complete / important / necessary His New Covenant means for our salvation - it is now the ONLY way to salvation.  He has moved His covenant from the external to the internal, from the corporate to the individual level. Now, no man is requried to look to any other group / man / church / organziation, etc., to be saved. No more external mediator. Now, we have a "one on one" with our God and Savior for each to succeed in getting to His kingdom. This is the only covenant one should be focusing on.... 

Secondly, I would ask you to consider how the verse in 9:27 has been "tapered with." If you take a step  back and look at the 70 weeks of years prophecy,  God provides all the elements, responsibilities, and timing when the many items of the "restoration" will occur. They are all layed out in these 70 weeks. Therefore, this "New covenant" made between Jesus and His people would be confirmed / fulfilled / completed WITHIN THE LAST 7 YEARS OF THE PROPHECY. It is not a covenant FOR 7 YEARS... God does not make such covenants with His people. Also, as mentioned above, this entire prophecy is about His plan of restoration and salvation for His people and His city AND ALL OF MANKIND. 

It was not until the late 16th century AD when the RCC, through their Jesuit brothers were tasked to develop of new interpretation where they  (papacy) was not the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8. Consequently, they developed the 7 year tribulation theory which took these same verses in Chapter 9 and attributed many to a mythical "anti-Christ" figure who will come in the future and establish a 7 YEAR covenant with Israel.... this guaranteed that the pope / papacy could not be the little horn of Daniel. Now, no one would be discussing who this "little horn" was, and they would now look to the future awaiting this "mythical" anti-Christ figure - and they would attribute these important verses that only the Messiah could fulfill in Chapter 9 to this evil one yet to come. 

Chapter 9 is about the Messiah and His plan for our salvation. Nowhere is there a menti0n, implied, hinted at, expressed about some "anti-Christ" figure. These prophecies occurred in the last WEEK and the results of those that were completed / fulfilled WITHIN the last week would be with us until the end. Daniel is all about our salvation revealed through these 4 kingdoms and through the travels of His people all the way through the 70 weeks.

 

 

 

 

 

[The Light]

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Thanks for your response. The "covenant" is the "New Covenant"identified in Jeremiah 31:31-34. This New Covenant was indeed fulfilled when, after the cross, God would send His Holy Spirit on Pentecost.  Secondly, I would ask you to consider how the verse in 9:27 has been "tapered with." If you take a step  back and look at the 70 weeks of years prophecy,  God provides all the elements, responsibilities, and timing when the many items of the "restoration" will occur. They are all layed out in these 70 weeks. Therefore, this "New covenant" made between Jesus and His people would be confirmed / fulfilled / completed WITHIN THE LAST 7 YEARS OF THE PROPHECY. It is not a covenant FOR 7 YEARS... God does not make such covenants with His people. Also, as mentioned above, this entire prophecy is about His plan of restoration and salvation for His people and His city AND ALL OF MANKIND. 

Hi Charlie, The people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. That is not Christ. He shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. That is not Christ.

 

 

 

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

 

It was not until the late 16th century AD when the RCC, through their Jesuit brothers were tasked to develop of new interpretation where they  (papacy) was not the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8.

The Papacy is not the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8.

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

 

Consequently, they developed the 7 year tribulation theory which took these same verses in Chapter 9 and attributed many to a mythical "anti-Christ" figure who will come in the future and establish a 7 YEAR covenant with Israel....

The is a 70th week of Daniel that is about the people of Daniel. The prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Contrary to what is commonly taught, this is not fulfilled as of yet. We can tell this is unfilled by Luke 21

Luke 21

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

The disciples ask, when will there not be one stone upon another and what sign will there be when there shall not be one stone upon another.

Obviously, this event of the city and sanctuary is unfulfilled. There are still one stone upon another to this day.

 

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

 

this guaranteed that the pope / papacy could not be the little horn of Daniel. Now, no one would be discussing who this "little horn" was, and they would now look to the future awaiting this "mythical" anti-Christ figure - and they would attribute these important verses that only the Messiah could fulfill in Chapter 9 to this evil one yet to come. 

Did Jesus destroy Jerusalem? No. 

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Chapter 9 is about the Messiah and His plan for our salvation. Nowhere is there a menti0n, implied, hinted at, expressed about some "anti-Christ" figure. These prophecies occurred in the last WEEK and the results of those that were completed / fulfilled WITHIN the last week would be with us until the end. Daniel is all about our salvation revealed through these 4 kingdoms and through the travels of His people all the way through the 70 weeks.

Daniel 9 mentions the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. This event has not occurred as of yet. The prince that shall come is the rider on the white horse who is given the stephanos crown and carries a bow. This of course is the false savior, Tammuz, who is Horus, who is on the back of the dollar bill, who is also Apollo.

14 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Hi Charlie, The people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. That is not Christ. He shall confirm a covenant with many for one week. That is not Christ.

Thanks for your response! It is very difficult to try and present a full / complete picture of these interpretations. Yes, they all must speak the same story and cannot conflict with the verses adjacent to them OR any other verse within the 12 chapters. So when we discuss only one or two at a time, it is impossible for you or others reading these new interpretations to see them. 

Within these Messianic prophecies (9:24 - 27), God is giving us two very different sets of verses. Verses 9:24 and 25, are ONLY the two “restorative” verses of the four. They confirm and reveal exactly what will be restored after the Babylonian exile, who is being given the responsibility to restore each element, and the specific timing each element will be restored. That is the purpose of the 70 weeks of years prophecy - it is God revealing His plan to restore His people and His city back the way it was before the Babylonians destroyed everything (but of course there would be much more within His prophecy). 

So, 24 and 25 tells us all of this … everything has been fully restored by the end of 9:25. 
 

Unfortunately, His people would reject Him and this will cause the need to reveal the prophecies found in 9:26-27. 
 

These are identified as the two “destructive” verses within these 4. These reveal the “results or consequences” of their rejecting their Messiah. The exact elements that were restored (24-25), would now be shown to be destroyed. And once again, God reveals what will be destroyed, who will destroy them and the timing of their destruction. 

You mentioned the destruction of the city / Temple, etc., above. Well, this certainly took place in 70 AD when Titus and his army destroyed EVERYTHING. But please notice that it was the PEOPLE of the prince who is to come that will destroy the city and everything. The “people” are indeed those within pagan Rome. But these same people will become subordinate and peoples of the coming prince - the little horn who will rule over the 4th kingdom beast after pagan Rome is slain (7:11). 
 

It is Jesus who established the New Covenant DURING (NOT FOR- incorrect translation), the last week of the prophecy. This was His mission! 
 

Within these two different set of verses we have the physical elements that will be restored and we have the physical elements that will be destroyed. We also have the “spiritual” elements that must be restored and the “spiritual” elements that will be destroyed. 
 

 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

 

The Papacy is not the little horn of Daniel 7 and 8.

I am sorry to disagree! He is indeed the little horn. He is not some mythical “anti-Christ” figure that comes at the end times to enter into some 7 year covenant with Israel! Absolutely NO ONE WOULD EVER EXPECT ISRAEL TO RETURN AND BECOME A NATION AGAIN. Prior to the Reformation, the consensus WAS the papacy was the little horn of Daniel. 
 

And this is exactly why and when the 7 year tribulation theory was created! The papacy needed to refute they were the little horn of Daniel. Consequently, it was they (Father Ribera of the Jesuits) that was given the assignment to construct a new interpretation that ensured they could not be labeled as the little horn. They specifically targeted these verse in Chapter 9 and claimed the (he) in 27 was not the Messiah but some evil anti/Christ figure that will come at the end time and enter into a 7 year covenant but in the “midst of the 7 years” he would renege on it. They attributed these Messianic prophecies away from the Messiah. All one has to to is to EASILY match the events in these verses to the Messiah that literally took place to see that they speak of Him. 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

The is a 70th week of Daniel that is about the people of Daniel.

I agree. That is meant to reveal how his people and his city will be restored over / during the 70 weeks of years or 490 literal years. 

But as I mentioned earlier, this is a complete restoration!  EVERYTHING had to be completed just as it was prior to the Babylonian invasion. What was the very first piece of furniture taken away? It was the Ark of the Covenant by Jeremiah so it would not be taken to Babylon. After that, the Babylonians would come and destroy / take everything. 
 

So, within God’s plan of restoration (Chapter 9 prophecy), He would have each item / element restored in the exact reverse order they were taken or destroyed. Meaning, the Jews would be responsible for rebuilding the city and the Temple, restoring the sacred vessels, the Levitical ceremonies and the 7 feast days, the Sabbath keeping’s. ALL of these things were / must be fully by the end of the 69th week   - and they were! The only item they were incapable of restoring was the “Presence of God” (Ark of the Covenant) within the Sanctuary. Only God could provide this! This is why He “set aside” the last week of the prophecy. Jesus would come on the very first day of the 70th week to begin His ministry. He would be baptized in the Jordan and Anointed by His Father. Once again, this is all about Him not some mythical evil being created by the little boy. 
 

So, Jesus would represent final piece of furniture to be restored in the Sanctuary.

Verses 9:24 - 27 are ALL about the restoration of his city and his sanctuary, and unfortunately, their destruction. 
 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

 

. The prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Contrary to what is commonly taught, this is not fulfilled as of yet. We can tell this is unfilled by Luke 21

Luke 21

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

In this verse in Luke, Jesus is predicting the complete destruction that will take place in 70 AD. 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

The disciples ask, when will there not be one stone upon another and what sign will there be when there shall not be one stone upon another.

Obviously, this event of the city and sanctuary is unfulfilled. There are still one stone upon another to this day.

No, this does indeed mean the destruction in 70 AD. If you don’t find the Temple / Sancyto have been completely destroyed…. 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

 

Did Jesus destroy Jerusalem? No. 
 

Of course Jesus did not destroy Jerusalem. But it was the reboot His people that would be the consequences of its destruction. 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Daniel 9 mentions the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

No, the PEOPLE of the prince who is to come shall destroy them. 

1 hour ago, The Light said:

 

This event has not occurred as of yet. The prince that shall come is the rider on the white horse who is given the stephanos crown and carries a bow. This of course is the false savior, Tammuz, who is Horus, who is on the back of the dollar bill, who is also Apollo.

 

Can not speak to this. I can speak to Daniel. 
 

Look forward to your thoughts. 

[Revelation Man]

On 10/20/2024 at 3:36 PM, The Light said:

What is your opinion. Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

Is there any evidence that the 70th week has begun?

The AGREEMENT (Covenant in Hebrew simply means agreement, it is only a Holy Agreement when its between God and man as in Abraham & God) will be between the Anti-Christ and his country (E.U.) and Israel. People OVERTHINK it, what's the one agreement that could change all the factors that would now keep Israel from being conquered by an outside force? 

1.) Israel has Nukes

2.) Israel trusts hardly no one with their own safety per se

3.) Israel is protected by God until this ONE EVENT gets God angry, and He starts up the 70th week.

Now, what one event can  change all these factors? Israel, BECAUSE of Gog & Magog will get help by God supernaturally, but at least 2/3 do not know its God, maybe more, just because 1/3 repents later doesn't mean they know its God, so IMHO, the E.U. agrees to help Israel, and after the war Israel will (THIS IS THE Daniel 9 AGREEMENT) Agree to JOIN the E.U. 

Israel will become a Member State of the E.U. and will agree to give up her nukes. This ANGERS God because Israel just "Technically" gave away God's land and trusted in men over God. At this very moment, when Israel becomes a member of the E.U. the Rapture happens AND the 70thweek kicks off.