Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

[douggg]

On 10/20/2024 at 3:36 PM, The Light said:

What is your opinion. Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

Is there any evidence that the 70th week has begun?

No, the 70th week of Daniel 9 has not begun yet.

It will begin right after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

[Marilyn C]

On 10/21/2024 at 7:36 AM, The Light said:

What is your opinion. Has the 70th week of Daniel begun?

Is there any evidence that the 70th week has begun?

Hi The Light,

The Prophet Joel tells us when the Day of the LORD (God Almighty in judgment) begins. And Daniel`s 70th week is in that time.

``Blow a trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm on My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; for the Day of the LORD is coming, for it is at hand: a Day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, 

like the morning clouds spread over the mountains, a people come, great and strong, the like of whom has never been; nor will there ever be such after them, even for many successive generations.` (Joel 2: 1 & 2) 

The Prophet Ezekiel gives more detail. (Ez. 38 & 39)

We will see that great army approaching Israel as we look at the media. Time for us to go then as we are NOT in the Day of the LORD in judgment.

[Diaste]

19 hours ago, NConly said:

the verse The Light posted is correct at the fullness of the Gentiles  (the end of Gentile rule)

"The end of Gentile rule" isn't the sense in the text. "Fullness" in Romans 11 is 'a filling up' like a full complement of the necessary people. In this way it's a concrete concept relating more to membership than some abstract like sin or leadership. 

19 hours ago, NConly said:

Diaste is saying ( not a verse ) at the beginning the adoption around Pentecost which does not match a verse or come from a verse 

Nope. Not saying that. I don't even know what that means. 

[Diaste]

On 10/27/2024 at 1:12 PM, WilliamL said:

Note what I wrote in point 4 above:

"4) Vespasian, by means of his policy #I, made covenants of peace with a number of important non-resisting cities. Essentially, he was merely “confirming” Romeʼs original covenant with the Jews, which allowed them – uniquely among the peoples of the Empire – to practice only their own mono-theistic religion, provided that they submitted to Roman civil authority."

Maybe I should have been more specific. This policy/covenant of Rome with the Jews dated back to the days of Herod the Great, so it most certainly was "a covenant already in place."

I am aware, but I don't think that was some ad hoc concession to the Jewish religion. Rome was a polytheistic society. They didn't care who you worshipped as long as peace was maintained, there was no subversion of rule, and ya paid ya taxes. 

From what I have read the tolerance for polytheism was societal norm for all manner of worship. The Jewish religion would have been just one more religion tolerated in the Empire as long as they behaved properly. 

However, the covenant in question in Dan 9 must be considered a part of a larger prophecy of a bit wider scope than a stand alone event. 

Some evidence that clarifies, for me, the bigger picture:

Dan 11. "36Then the king will do as he pleases and will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will speak monstrous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed,"

Dan 12. "There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time."

Dan 12. "And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12Blessed is he who waits and reaches the end of the 1,335 days."

2 Thess 2. " 4He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."

2 Thess 2. " 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and annihilate by the majesty of His arrival."

All this, taken together, show the proximity of the rise of this person and his ultimate destruction within a very short time frame.

A major point for me appears in Rev 13:

"The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for 42 months. 6And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven."

The blasphemy is crucial point iterated more than once. Daniel, Paul, John, all recorded this. Jesus tells us in Rev 13 this blasphemous mouthpiece for the Great Usurper has a max of 42 months before his end. 

This is what Dan 9 " 27And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week,i but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering." is saying as well. That 'midst of the week' and the ensuing 42 months here in Dan 9:27 is directly related to 42 months in Rev 13 and the 1260 days in Rev 12. Joel is witness as well...

Alas for the day! For the Day of the LORD is near,

and it will come as destruction from the Almighty.b

16Has not the food been cut off before our very eyes—

joy and gladness from the house of our God?

Here the sacrifice and offering are no more, in nearness to the day of the Lord.

So...GT, and the return Jesus and the gathering, must happen within 42 months of wherever Dan 9:27 is placed on the timeline. 

From what I see, Dan 9:27 was not fulfilled in antiquity.

 

[Diaste]

On 10/26/2024 at 11:06 AM, Charlie744 said:

But the Temple, the Levitical ceremonies, the animal sacrifices have BEEN DONE AWAY WITH . Jesus FULFILLED THEM ALL. 
 

 

100% agree, in the sense of reconciliation to the Father. All that ceremonial pomp and ritual has been rendered moot. Scripture actually tells us it never pleased God in the first place. It's always been a broken spirit and a contrite heart with which God is pleased. 

But again, that concept stops no one from constructing the ostentatious building to 'honor God'.

[SACREDWARRIOR]

On 10/20/2024 at 11:35 PM, The Light said:

I believe this to be incorrect based on Daniel 9

Daniel 9

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The 70th week could not begin until there is a covenant with many for one week.

IF YOU READ CAREFULLY, the "HE" IS JESUS AND THE TEMPLE DESOLATION (making it null and void) WAS THE RENDING OF THE CURTAIN SEPARATING THE HOLY OF HOLIES!!!

 

[The Light]

2 hours ago, SACREDWARRIOR said:

IF YOU READ CAREFULLY, the "HE" IS JESUS AND THE TEMPLE DESOLATION (making it null and void) WAS THE RENDING OF THE CURTAIN SEPARATING THE HOLY OF HOLIES!!!

 

Daniel 9

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Can you tell me when the Jews destroyed the city of Jerusalem? 

 

[The Light]

13 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi The Light,

The Prophet Joel tells us when the Day of the LORD (God Almighty in judgment) begins. And Daniel`s 70th week is in that time.

``Blow a trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm on My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; for the Day of the LORD is coming, for it is at hand: a Day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, 

like the morning clouds spread over the mountains, a people come, great and strong, the like of whom has never been; nor will there ever be such after them, even for many successive generations.` (Joel 2: 1 & 2) 

The Prophet Ezekiel gives more detail. (Ez. 38 & 39)

We will see that great army approaching Israel as we look at the media. Time for us to go then as we are NOT in the Day of the LORD in judgment.

Hi Marilyn,

I'm not seeing where the day of the Lord begins when the 70th week begins. The one -year Day of the Lord does occur during the 7Oth week, but it does not begin when the 70th week begins. The Day of the Lord is the 7th seal wrath of God.

[The Light]

15 hours ago, douggg said:

No, the 70th week of Daniel 9 has not begun yet.

It will begin right after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39.

Hi Doug. The Word of God says that Gog Magog is at the end of the 1000 years. Do you think Israel is an unwalled village? Do you think Israel is quiet and at peace?

They will not be quiet and at peace until the Jesus returns.

[The Light]

On 10/30/2024 at 2:21 PM, WilliamL said:

Matthew provides a different and more complete quote:

Matthew 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, [1] when will these things be? And [2] what will be the sign of Your Parousia, and of the end of the age?”

Two different questions for two different events:

1) the destruction of the Temple in the first century AD; and

2) the Parousia of the Son of Man at the End of the Age.

There is still one stone upon another. The destruction of the Temple is a future event that will occur at the end of the age.

On 10/30/2024 at 2:21 PM, WilliamL said:

Luke was not an eyewitness of the events during the time of Jesus. He relied upon second-hand testimony; and in doing so, not infrequently got the order of events wrong. That is why the sequence of events in his gospel is more helter-skelter than the historical narratives of the other three Gospel authors.

So in this case, he misunderstood the order of events. Like the other NT authors, and the general belief of the Church at that time, he presumed that the Lord would return in their days. That presumption tainted how he understood this saying of Jesus.

Is this verse true or is it in error?

2 Timothy 3

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

On 10/30/2024 at 2:21 PM, WilliamL said:

Both quotations of Jesus's words cannot be accurate.

Of course they can. Neither event has occurred. There is still one stone upon another. 

On 10/30/2024 at 2:21 PM, WilliamL said:

 

I believe the account of Matthew was more accurate with respect to the two questions. But his account does not record Jesus' answer to the first question, and only records what Jesus said about the End of the Age. Whereas Luke recorded more about Jesus' answer concerning the first question (the destruction of the Temple) in Luke 21:12-24.

I believe all scripture is accurate.