i knew this was going to happen

[Neighbor]

16 hours ago, nebula said:

You need to leave behind 1980s statistics and move into the 2020s. 

Around or less than 2% of illegal migrants are picking crops. (Look it up)

The question remains: who will pick their own strawberries today?  I bet the answer is almost no one; and the strawberry crops will soon be plowed under one last time, much like the cucumber crops were here  last year.

No one to harvest, no one to even come out and glean for themselves; all but a few sitting around thinking big thoughts with soft clean hands wondering where is the food? All too proud to wrestle the weeds or even glean a field.

Will the USA soon become much like China was with  it's great starvation of the 1960's where people just sat, no longer knowing how to labor for themselves, waiting for a government edict to resolve their problems? Millions upon millions died. 

 

[Neighbor]

14 hours ago, In the Clouds said:

5 acres is a personal garden.  Big Ag is what?  A farmer who farms more than he consumes or a corporate business with thousands of acres?  I'm a MAHA supporter, too.  Method and practice is relative.

How about 1/5th  of an acre? And little city victory gardens? Who is there to  plant even a 5th of 1/5th  of a city lot with eatable produce? 

Big Ag is what is sustaining us today. Like it or not, folks do not go out and buy from little farmers for the most part. Even  organic foods are Big Ag. produced.

Little victory gardens do make for a nice hobby. I remember them as a way of life, but truth for me is that with Publix, Costco, Albertsons, and the like, around it has been far more efficient to be working at something else than food growing and then buying all food at a retail operation near me.

Though food is getting expensive, or money is worth less, I don't know that investing in land planting tending and then harvesting for personal consumption is economically sound, or even feasible. Sounds good, back to the land and all that. Like the old gray mare she ain't what she used or be, so it is with me I am afeared. Don't see myself becoming a Jeremiah Johnson foraging and trapping  like in the movies either.  

Though, foraging the cookie aisle at Publix has produced awareness of a great  ready bought cookie brand. Most satisfying a venture to forage there. Though decisions ahead for a lot of us I suppose. Nice to know God provides that which is perfect for our need, even when  it doesn't seem it at the time.

[nebula]

11 hours ago, Neighbor said:

The question remains: who will pick their own strawberries today?  I bet the answer is almost no one; and the strawberry crops will soon be plowed under one last time, much like the cucumber crops were here  last year.

No one to harvest, no one to even come out and glean for themselves; all but a few sitting around thinking big thoughts with soft clean hands wondering where is the food? All too proud to wrestle the weeds or even glean a field.

Will the USA soon become much like China was with  it's great starvation of the 1960's where people just sat, no longer knowing how to labor for themselves, waiting for a government edict to resolve their problems? Millions upon millions died. 

Counter argument.

America's Farmers Don't Depend on Illegal Immigration

[BibleStudent100]

On 2/8/2025 at 9:50 AM, warrior12 said:

The US dollar advantage cause other nations not to compete in trade volumes ect. 

Great point about the dollar.  Yes, the dollar is strong NOW, but as we know, currencies go up AND down over time.  So yes, the strength of the dollar is advantageous to Trump, but for how long?

[warrior12]

15 hours ago, BibleStudent100 said:

Great point about the dollar.  Yes, the dollar is strong NOW, but as we know, currencies go up AND down over time.  So yes, the strength of the dollar is advantageous to Trump, but for how long?

How about you address the first lines in that same post. Let me know your thoughts ?.Below is what I asked. Thanks.

Please address Mr.Trump statement of Canada becoming the 51st state.  Is that part of the MAGA plan ?. 

[BibleStudent100]

8 hours ago, warrior12 said:

Please address Mr.Trump statement of Canada becoming the 51st state.  Is that part of the MAGA plan ?.

Trump says things for shock value that are not necessarily intended to happen.  Greenland is important for military strategy (ICBMs from Russia would first travel over Greenland, for example), but why not use US muscle to build more bases there (there is already one US military base there)?  Why not have a special trading partnership with Greenland?  US interests could be served without having to buy the island.  BTW, what would it cost to buy Greenland?  How many billions of dollars?  That seems anti-DOGE.

Regarding Canada, the Canadians would have to agree to giving up their sovereignty and I don't see that happening.  

Some things Trump says are logical and some are illogical.  I agree that the US's trade imbalance needs to change.  We are getting ripped off on that.  But Americans love to buy items that are made cheaply.  Price a man's three piece suit, for example, if it were made stateside, and the list goes on...

[In the Clouds]

Yes, Trump says things for shock value.  Let's hope things don't turn out to be like a little boy who cries wolf and then no one pays attention to him after a while.  Also, too many fronts and issues are not manageable or defendable.  It's not wise IMO.

[other one]

Trump is a dealmaker.   When you are going into a situation where you have to deal with people, you start in a very far side of where you expect to be.   It lets the other side know you are serious about how you stand and gives a lot of room for compromise.   It's like Trump is saying we have a problem and if you don't help fix it this is what I'm going to do.  Or try to do in this case.  He's not crazy, and I doubt he would really want Canada as a 51st state.   Way too many lefties in the larger cities there and when you have a large group of people taking advantage of you, the last thing you really want to do is let them in your house.   But he is a jokester and a master troller which makes him a very good dealmaker.

[warrior12]

34 minutes ago, BibleStudent100 said:

Trump says things for shock value that are not necessarily intended to happen.  Greenland is important for military strategy (ICBMs from Russia would first travel over Greenland, for example), but why not use US muscle to build more bases there (there is already one US military base there)?  Why not have a special trading partnership with Greenland?  US interests could be served without having to buy the island.  BTW, what would it cost to buy Greenland?  How many billions of dollars?  That seems anti-DOGE.

Regarding Canada, the Canadians would have to agree to giving up their sovereignty and I don't see that happening.  

Some things Trump says are logical and some are illogical.  I agree that the US's trade imbalance needs to change.  We are getting ripped off on that.  But Americans love to buy items that are made cheaply.  Price a man's three piece suit, for example, if it were made stateside, and the list goes on...

Respectable reply, thank you.

I think, this time around, Trump has different motives and has learned from his last administration in choosing people as aids and advisors.  The world is dividing in to groups, economically and which also means military alliances too.  

I was going to address you reply in length with my perceived thoughts of what the geo political landscape is moving into and how trading nations are moving into blocks, which essentially means military strategic movements also, but would only say that, we are told that these things would take place.  

President Trump is instilling  fears to millions of people with his bold statements and it affects businesses and people livelyhood.  Whatever he does with tarrifs ect. is something that nations would have to deal with, but making statements about nations sovereign status is not good leadership and it is actually making ordinary people having different views of the US.

I think the reality of what is taking place in the world is making a lot of people fearful of their children future and want security and hope for a better future and for the carnal man that is expected.  Believers of the word should understand that we at the mercy of God and that is where our trust and hope is in.   

 

[nebula]

On 2/12/2025 at 8:09 AM, warrior12 said:

President Trump is instilling  fears to millions of people with his bold statements and it affects businesses and people livelyhood.  Whatever he does with tarrifs ect. is something that nations would have to deal with, but making statements about nations sovereign status is not good leadership and it is actually making ordinary people having different views of the US.

I think the reality of what is taking place in the world is making a lot of people fearful of their children future and want security and hope for a better future and for the carnal man that is expected.  Believers of the word should understand that we at the mercy of God and that is where our trust and hope is in.   

A little perspective: Living in fear - so what else is new?

I spent the first 18 years of my life living in fear of a nuclear war with the USSR.

We were instilled with fear every time American troops were involved in some conflict, some of which no one "remembers" anymore, even though at the time everyone was panicking that "this is the beginning of the End Times!"

Many of us lived in fear under Pres. Clinton that the US would go under. Pres. Obama had us terrified that US sovereignty was being handed over to the rest of the world. GW Bush instilled fear to people with the Patriot Act - some wise people feared it at the time, the rest of us less that two decades later when we discovered it was being used to threaten Americans exercising what should have been 1st amendment rights.

Open borders instilled fear into millions of people. 

The weaponization of the legal system against American citizens the past four years didn't just instill fear in us, it terrified us!

I could go on with a whole list of things that have been done from our government and from around the world that have instilled fear.

I'm sorry that Trump shaking down corruption and global abuse of US taxpayer finances is causing fear on the citizens of other nations. Unfortunately, there is no pain-free way to take out corruption.