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[warrior12]

12 hours ago, Keras said:

do not believe in an eternal hell, or a Lake of fire, burning people forever. We are told the godless wicked peoples will be destroyed and be remembered no more. Romans 9:22    I do not see any useful point being served, to torture them. 

Mark 9

It is written in the word explicityly.

⁴³ And if thy hand cause thee to fall, cut it off. It is better for thee to enter into life maimed than, having two hands, to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched,

⁴⁴ where ‘their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.’

[Keras]

ALERT !!!    Thread diversion.

The wicked are made for destruction; Romans 9:22 

Those whose names are not found in the Book of Life, are thrown into the Lake of Fire. Revelation 20:15  Instant annihilation. 

In Mark 9:42-48, Jesus never says people will be consciously tormented forever. 

[Revelation Man]

18 hours ago, Keras said:

'anti Israel stuff'?  But I'm in good company!  Matthew 8:12, Matthew 19:27, Revelation 2:9, +

 

Matt. 8:12 is referring to the 2000 year church age where God forsook Israel, as Ezekiel foretold, and the repentance of Israel comes when? During the 70th week, after the Church departs. 

Matt. 19:27 is merely showing the disciples neither great riches nor great works will get anyone into heaven, but only those who by faith accept Jesus' blood sacrifice for the remission of sins. So, what part of that confuses you into not understanding Israel repents during the 70th week just like Zech. 13:8-9 says my friend? You come in with a bent towards we are now all one in  Christ because of Gal. 3 (amongst other verses I guess) and you fail to see that we are ALL ONE in how we c0me un to Christ only, be we male or female, Jew or Gentile we are not ALL MALE or FEMALE, and we are not now all Gentiles or all Jews, we are all one in how we come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE.

So, in Zech. 13:8-9 we see Israel repent, just like Paul says they will in Romans chapter 11, after the fullness of the Gentiles (church age) is come in (Rapture).  So what part of that is not self evident my friend? Israel must come to faith in Christ, and they do, but as a nation is the key, all Jews can come to Jesus as individuals, thus they were never blinded IN FULL, only IN PART, as a nation, not as individuals. You conflate all these passages to fit a pre determined understanding, which is not how the bible should be studied.

Rev. 2:9 is  not saying Israel are all of Satan, he was specifically speaking about certain Jews who were trying to mislead that specific church, Paul, Peter were Jews, were they of Satan? Makes no sense, so when one thinks it through, its obvious Paul was speaking about certain peoples, not Israel in general. The Nation of Israel were blinded because of UNBELEIF, but Paul, Peter and the early church who were all Jews BELIEVED, and just as Paul stated, when Israel once again BELIVES they will be grafted back into the Olive Tree (family of God). And thus ALL Israel WILL BE SAVED, not every Jew but Israel as a nation is saved.

19 hours ago, Keras said:

That it is you who is in error, is shown by how you think the 'one third' of Zech 13:9, are survivors.  They must 'pass thru fire' and only a tested remnant will be found worthy. Romans 9:27  They will join with the main group of Christians; Jeremiah 50:4-5

 

No, 1/3 repent and are protected by God in the Petra/Bozrah area, God says He will bring them through the fire and refine them. They will call on MY NAME and I will HEAR THEM, so Israel must repent first. Why else would they be saved and the 2/3 die? We do not earn our way to heaven, its achieved by FAITH ALONE, the one part they could never get right, and here again, you think they will be made to ACHIEVE SALVATION, the very reason they lost God's blessings was they refused to live by Faith. 

19 hours ago, Keras said:

Also, your Spiritualizing of the Millennium, is wrong. It is very clear that the Millennium period will be on earth. Isaiah 2 & Zech 14:16-21

Again, you misread me, I know there is a 1000 year reign, its called the Kingdom Age where Jesus rules from Jerusalem with the Jews, The Church are not even on earth at this time, only the ones who did as Martyrs during the 70th week will be on earth helping Jesus with glorious bodies, Rev. 20:4 CLEARLY SHOWS THIS. 

[Keras]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

And thus ALL Israel WILL BE SAVED, not every Jew but Israel as a nation is saved.

You fail to see Prophesies like this:

Jeremiah 6:8-15 Be instructed, Jerusalem [Judah, the Jewish people], or your God will depart from you and will devastate the Land.   Isaiah 22:11-14

The Lord says: Glean like a vine the remnant of Israel, one last time, like the vine dresser – pass your hand over the branches.  Isaiah 5:5-7

To whom shall I speak and give warning? Who will hear me? Their ears are blocked, they are incapable of listening. They treat the Lord’s Word as a reproach, it has no appeal for them.     Ezekiel 22:26-31

But I am full of the anger of the Lord, I cannot hold it back. Isaiah 63:1-6 I must pour it out onto all the people of the Land. Their houses will be given to others.

For all the leaders and people only consider themselves, their prophets and Rabbis are all frauds, every one of them. They fail to address the real problems of their people. They say: “All is well”. All well? Nothing is right and just. They ought to be ashamed because of their sinful practices, yet they have no sense of shame, therefore they will fall with a great crash and be brought low on the Day of My reckoning.  Jeremiah 8:8, Ezekiel 33:25-26, Isaiah 6:11-13 

Jeremiah 6:16-30 The Lord says: you should enquire about the Way that leads to righteousness. But they said: “We refuse”. Then I appointed watchmen – listen for the call they told them. But they said: “We refuse”. Therefore hear you nations and take note of the plight of these people. I am about to bring ruin upon them, for all their sinful ways and ignoring My instructions. Your sacrifices are not acceptable and your offerings do not please Me.  Isaiah 22:14, Zephaniah 1:4-6, Matthew 24:41-42

Therefore the Lord says: I will set obstacles before this people, which will bring them to the ground, father, sons, friends and neighbours will all perish together. Jeremiah 12:14-17 A great host appears, like men arrayed for battle, against you; Zion.

News of their coming has reached us and our hands hang limp, agony grips us, pangs as of a woman in labour. Do not go outside, for the foe will smite you there, as terror is spread around the world. Mourn and wail as the despoiler comes upon us in an instant.  Isaiah 10:17, Isaiah 29:5-6, Zechariah 1:14-18 & 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

It is appointed to assay My people, testing their conduct, but they are all rebels, mischief makers and corrupt to a man. The bellows blow, the fire is ready. All types of metal in vain the refiner refines, but the impurities cannot be removed. Call them reject silver, for God has rejected them.  Matthew 21:43       Ref: REB.

All of this prophecy in Jeremiah is telling us about the coming judgement/punishment by fire– the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath. This terrifying event will affect all the world, but especially the Middle East and all this prophecy applies specifically to Judah, the current inhabitants of part of the holy Land. Jeremiah 12:14, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Ezekiel 21:1-17       

Note well; the parallel between Zechariah 13:9 and Jeremiah 6:28-30.     The Lord has rejected Judah.                                                                                                         

Edited February 10 by Keras

[Keras]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

Note well; the parallel between Zechariah 13:9 and Jeremiah 6:28-30.     The Lord has rejected Judah. 

AND; Taken the Kingdom from them. Matthew 21:43

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, Keras said:

You fail to see Prophesies like this:

Jeremiah 6:8-15 Be instructed, Jerusalem [Judah, the Jewish people], or your God will depart from you and will devastate the Land.   Isaiah 22:11-14

No, you fail to add the full summation, 2 + 6 might = 8 but there can be additional additions that make the summation entirely different, so if you have a math problem, and the teacher says solve it, you read Billy had 2 shoes on and found 6 more at the Bus Stop, the stop and say ITS 8 TEACHER, and the teacher is like, you did not add up the full storyline of numbers, then you will be stuck on 8, even though the story says on the Bus Billy found 10 more shoes on the back seat.

We all know God RENT THE Temple and left Israel deserted, for 2000 some odd years and called the Church made up mostly of Gentiles (Time of the Gentiles) to take the Gospel unto the whole world. But you guys can never see the full picture brother, you get stuck on 2 & 6 = 8. The Church is Raptured, then during the 70th week Israel REPENTS, that's why Jesus says at the end of Matt. 23 that the next time you see me you (Israel) will say Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord. They will be under Jesus during the Kingdom Age, Israel can not lose the PROMISE of God unless you think Gd just lied to Abraham. So we all know God deserted Israel for nigh 2000 years, then your blinders go on and you can not see the rest of the story my friend.

Your whole thesis is the Church replaced Israel. Its not the truth my friend, you are being misled by someone or spirit. God will show you the truth if you ask Him to and throw away this anti Israel bent. 

[Keras]

20 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Your whole thesis is the Church replaced Israel

That is the basic teaching of the New Testament, Jesus came to save all who would accept Him. 

Your whole paradigm is riddled with errors; - there will be no rapture to heaven and nowhere does the Bible tell of a general Jewish redemption. Why believe lies? 

[other one]

Rom 11:25-36

25  Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

 "The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob";
27 "and this will be my covenant with them
 when I take away their sins."

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies of God for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 Just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?"
35 "Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?"

36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.
ESV

 

[Alive]

On 2/5/2025 at 5:55 PM, Keras said:

President Donald Trump's proposal that the United States “take over” the Gaza Strip and permanently resettle its Palestinian residents was swiftly rejected and denounced on Wednesday by American allies and adversaries alike.

Trump's suggestion came at a White House news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who smiled several times as the president detailed a plan to build new settlements for Palestinians outside the Gaza Strip, and for the U.S. to take “ownership” in redeveloping the war-torn territory into “the Riviera of the Middle East.”

“The U.S. will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it too,” Trump said. “We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site, and get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out, create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs.”  News item; 5th Feb 2025

Fantastic idea, why should anyone oppose it?

However, the Lord does have other Plans:

Zephaniah 2:4-7 Gaza will be deserted, Ashkelon left in ruins. At midday all the towns of the Mediterranean coast will be cleared of inhabitants, for the Word of God is against you – land of the Philistines. I shall lay you in ruins, no one will survive. 

Jeremiah 47:4-7 The day has come for all of Philistia to be despoiled….Gaza will be shorn bare, Ashkelon ruined. The Sword of the Lord is assigned to its task 

Amos 1:6-8 This is the Word of the Lord; For crime after crime of Gaza, I shall grant them no reprieve….Therefore; I will send fire to consume Gaza and wipe out Ashkelon and all the Philistines who are left will perish. 

A much more likely scenario. A lot cheaper and simpler, too!

The Lord has told us, thru His Prophets; how and when He will take this action.

How about this perspective?

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-historical-case-for-trumps-gaza

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

How about this perspective?

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-historical-case-for-trumps-gaza

Trump laid down a marker of sorts, how it gets resolved will be up to the Gaza people and Arabs in general, they can accept his offer, come up with a similar idea, or he's going to let Bebe (Prime Minister of Israel) finish the job. Either way Hamas if finished. You see Trump gets it better than most statesmen because he uses common sense, nothing will ever change as long as Hamas is interspersed with the Gaza people, they are like mobsters who in reality, de facto run the place via threats. Since he knows Egypt, Jordan nor any other Arab nations will take in these terrorists, he was like, you take in these Gaza people build them homes, and wink wink, we will finish off these thug terrorists either by killing them or locking the up, OR.......if you/they refuse our offer, we have no rec0urse, Bebe will be allowed t finish the job.

That way no one can say Trump didn't try. He's a brilliant tactician. When he started talking about building a "Wall" almost everyone laughed at him, 9 years later 60 percent of the USA want a wall built. That's a leader.