Stirring the Waters, Not the Pot.

[Dennis1209]

14 hours ago, angels4u said:

The question puzzled me a bit and really made me think..

Hi Angels,

I read these verses every time I read the Bible, from Genesis through Revelation, and thought there was something different or unusual about them. This passage piqued doctrinal and theological questions. If I stopped everywhere I had a question, I would never finish what I started.

Our Sunday School lesson is on portions of John chapter five this Sunday. The study material we use is abbreviated for time restraints, and it mentions it is not in any manuscripts before 400 A.D. and was probably Jewish superstition. I also wondered if competing for healing was cruel or fair; is that Biblical? Michael posted a video I will use on Sunday (if everything works as hoped). There is an excellent lesson learned from those passages and applied to cleansing, stirring living water, Jesus.

These verses are the few that the Bible does not explain itself. I could not find any parallel, cross, or important passages associated with this random competitive physical healing.

The more I studied it, the more I thought this would be a good topic of discussion on the forum.

I was going to let it go and move on, but I desired to address perceived allegations one last time, and I did not report it on my behalf but chose to ignore any further discussion or unproductive bickering.

Quotes: “If you're teaching on John 5:4, teach the truth: that its text does not appear in the earliest Greek NT manuscripts.” “If you read my post, I'm not insuating anything. I'm only giving an exhortation.  You would know this if you understood what colons are in grammar and why they're used in writing.”

As I replied, I am not teaching anything; it is a discussion, and the mss was part of it. If I am not teaching the truth, what am I teaching? Perhaps I am poorly educated in the three Rs or how colons - semicolons alter grammar. If I knew what “insuating” is, I might better understand colons.

[angels4u]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

Hi Angels,

I read these verses every time I read the Bible, from Genesis through Revelation, and thought there was something different or unusual about them. This passage piqued doctrinal and theological questions. If I stopped everywhere I had a question, I would never finish what I started.

Our Sunday School lesson is on portions of John chapter five this Sunday. The study material we use is abbreviated for time restraints, and it mentions it is not in any manuscripts before 400 A.D. and was probably Jewish superstition. I also wondered if competing for healing was cruel or fair; is that Biblical? Michael posted a video I will use on Sunday (if everything works as hoped). There is an excellent lesson learned from those passages and applied to cleansing, stirring living water, Jesus.

These verses are the few that the Bible does not explain itself. I could not find any parallel, cross, or important passages associated with this random competitive physical healing.

The more I studied it, the more I thought this would be a good topic of discussion on the forum.

I was going to let it go and move on, but I desired to address perceived allegations one last time, and I did not report it on my behalf but chose to ignore any further discussion or unproductive bickering.

Quotes: “If you're teaching on John 5:4, teach the truth: that its text does not appear in the earliest Greek NT manuscripts.” “If you read my post, I'm not insuating anything. I'm only giving an exhortation.  You would know this if you understood what colons are in grammar and why they're used in writing.”

As I replied, I am not teaching anything; it is a discussion, and the mss was part of it. If I am not teaching the truth, what am I teaching? Perhaps I am poorly educated in the three Rs or how colons - semicolons alter grammar. If I knew what “insuating” is, I might better understand colons.

Dennis,to tell you the truth before I even reached the question in your first post and was reading what you posted ,my first thought was how God provided a Salvation plan for all of us ,for all who are sick from sin and that Jesus can heal us all (from sin) when we come to Him) All the people who were waiting by the pool were not really looking for Jesus but only wanted to get healed from their physical pains,this lonely man had nobody and didn't Jesus said He came for the poor and lonely? Does it show here that the ones who want to be first will be last? I'm so glad our God does not play favouritism but looks for a humble heart who's seeking out for Him,He cares for all and even looks out for the sparrows ,He knows our needs  and if we're sincere looking for truth and to do His will,He will never disappoint us..

 

[FriendofJonathan]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

Quotes: “If you're teaching on John 5:4, teach the truth: that its text does not appear in the earliest Greek NT manuscripts.” “If you read my post, I'm not insuating anything. I'm only giving an exhortation.  You would know this if you understood what colons are in grammar and why they're used in writing.”

As I replied, I am not teaching anything; it is a discussion, and the mss was part of it. If I am not teaching the truth, what am I teaching? Perhaps I am poorly educated in the three Rs or how colons - semicolons alter grammar. If I knew what “insuating” is, I might better understand colons.

Got it. 

The colon (:) is a punctuation mark used after a statement that separate the statement prededing the colon, to a statement after the colon.  It is used in order to give context to the preceding statement and to direct the reader that a further clarifying statement  follows.  The statement that follows the colon is simply  conveying more information to the reader on what the preceding statement is referring. 

So, the colon after my statement, "teach the truth", was a signal to you that a followup statement would shed further light on what I meant by "teach the truth." 

And what I meant by "teach the truth." should mot be understood as an insinuation of lying, but be understood this way, "The truth is that the text of John 5:4 does not appear in the earliest Greek NT manuscripts.”

So, if you delete everything I wrote, and replace it with the following, "The truth is that the text of John 5:4 does not appear in the earliest Greek NT manuscripts.  That's what you should teach or discuss.”, would you have made the same accusation against me? 

[Dennis1209]

4 hours ago, angels4u said:

Dennis,to tell you the truth before I even reached the question in your first post and was reading what you posted ,my first thought was how God provided a Salvation plan for all of us ,for all who are sick from sin and that Jesus can heal us all (from sin) when we come to Him) All the people who were waiting by the pool were not really looking for Jesus but only wanted to get healed from their physical pains,this lonely man had nobody and didn't Jesus said He came for the poor and lonely? Does it show here that the ones who want to be first will be last? I'm so glad our God does not play favouritism but looks for a humble heart who's seeking out for Him,He cares for all and even looks out for the sparrows ,He knows our needs  and if we're sincere looking for truth and to do His will,He will never disappoint us..

 

Good observation. 

[1to3]

On 3/12/2025 at 12:51 AM, Michael37 said:

@Dennis1209 I posted a good 8 minute video on this subject for you. (Not the first post)

 

How is it that you did not allow my video to be posted because it ran 5mins  over, yet you allow  Angelsforu to post a video over two hours long?

 

[angels4u]

14 hours ago, 1to3 said:

How is it that you did not allow my video to be posted because it ran 5mins  over, yet you allow  Angelsforu to post a video over two hours long?

 

Sorry 1to3,people are volunteering in the ministry can post longer video's ,they don't need Michael's permission but I have Georges permission,hope that helps?

When people who volunteer have time or are willing to listen to a longer video they can do that but they don't have to do it as it can be very time consuming. Which video did you post from Rick Renner? I do listen to him at times . I check it for you..:)

 

[1to3]

7 hours ago, angels4u said:

Sorry 1to3,people are volunteering in the ministry can post longer video's ,they don't need Michael's permission but I have Georges permission,hope that helps?

When people who volunteer have time or are willing to listen to a longer video they can do that but they don't have to do it as it can be very time consuming. Which video did you post from Rick Renner? I do listen to him at times . I check it for you..:)

Thank you @Angels4u for replying.

The video in question that I posted is (I had to go back and check) is exactly 38min:37 long.

With the title: Pool of Bethesda

  from Renner ministries

I though this video would be a helpful presentation , as it gives many historical and spiritual information that only bring forth the power of Gods Mercy and Grace working today as it did in the day Christ Jesus healed the man by the pool.

To find the video on you tube you have to find the one that is :38min:37 long. as there are a few others by the same ministry that are shorter but do not give the full story and explanation that the video I presented did.

You can google the tile: Pool of Bethesda

by: Renner Minestries

Make sure you view the video that is 38min:37 long. That was the video that I wanted to post to help for further understanding of the man who was healed by the pool of Bethesda through our Lord and
Savior Christ Jesus who Is the same yesterday, today and Tomorrow. Praise God!

 

 This is a side note:  I have experienced this week that The Worthy system has been running kind of strange, slow -and or either not being able to go unto the site, or slowing down to the point of not being able to use @----- with the  members name,  like here when I am trying to reply to you I have to write down the members name after I write @.   

Thank you for taking the time to read my comment.

In Christ Jesus Always;🌿

1to3

Edited March 16 by 1to3
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[missmuffet]

5 hours ago, angels4u said:

Sorry 1to3,people are volunteering in the ministry can post longer video's ,they don't need Michael's permission but I have Georges permission,hope that helps?

When people who volunteer have time or are willing to listen to a longer video they can do that but they don't have to do it as it can be very time consuming. Which video did you post from Rick Renner? I do listen to him at times . I check it for you..:)

 

I don't think that video was too long. I have posted videos from Dr. Jeremiah that was 1 hour long.The only reason that video should not have been posted is if it was not biblical.

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, missmuffet said:

I don't think that video was too long. I have posted videos from Dr. Jeremiah that was 1 hour long.The only reason that video should not have been posted is if it was not biblical.

David Jeremiah videos don't need Oversight scrutiny, that's why we have authority from George to approve them without watching them. Otherwise the 20minute rule applies unless I am prepared to spend 30minutes on something. 

[other one]

5 hours ago, 1to3 said:

Thank you for taking the time to read my comment.

Thank you for posting it.   I looked it up and it is excellent.