Slain in the Spirit!

[HisMindinme]

However, I watched on gal in the middle of one of the lines of people falling over and she was the only one standing. (She obviously didn't get the cue) and we watched her look around as people on her left and right were flat on their backs. So, she sat down and then lay down on her back.

Yep! She was clueless about the que. Her thoughts not conditioned yet to the script of it all. Been there - done that. I have had the hand on my forhead pushing me back as well as a physical "que" that this guy expected me to fall. Honestly, I pushed back! Finally, he gave up. Somewhere later on I recall a conversation about "fighting the Spirit" -- No, I was fighting myself and YOU!

It is funny to me how want to lay out this body of thought which says, "The Spirit can do ANYTHING HE WANTS!" <-- Like this is a blank check argument of God being "in-charge" and "sovereign" and somehow that mental slight-of-hand is validation of any experience people have. The neck stiffins, the back arches, the hairs go up and the "Hrrmmph -- how dare you challenge my experience where my God can do anything HE likes!"

Whooooaaa -- wait a minute there big fella ... this goes back to the thing "Phil" was saying about how he searches the bible to find validation for his experiences (or something close akin to that). Having said that, I am walking on eggshells here to somewhat of a degree and I sense the need to be circumspect.

1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours becomes a stumbling block to those who are weak.

Rom 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or also why do you despise your brother? For all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God."

Rom 14:12 So then each one of us will give account concerning himself to God.

Rom 14:13 Then let us not judge one another any more, but rather judge this, not to put a stumbling-block or an offense toward his brother.

I think I see what Paul is pointing at here: He's pointing out how people get something in them like "slain in the Spirit." They have Christ. They believe in Jesus. They are Christians. In thier humanity, however, they get some quirky stuff in them (for Paul's example it was eating meat offered to idols). For our example here it is "slain in the Spirit."

So, the question becomes: If I "judge my brother" over "slain in the Spirit", do I at the same time lose sight of his eternal soul and in attacking him over "slain in the Spirit" endanger his belief in Christ by raising the banner of division between us? Do I compound the matter of BOTH our working towards Christ formed in us by getting off the rails and distracted?

Perhaps if I focused on helping us BOTH find the Mind of Christ, we come to a place of agreement about "slain in the Spirit" -- perhaps not. What about Paul's example? Does he indicate that the other brother EVER stops believing the way he does about meat? Paul is grandly mute on the outcome. It leaves me to consider that I am wasting my time after a certain time in focusing on "slain in the Spirit." What I really REALLY need to put focus on is the forming of the Mind of Christ in me and sharing that thing with my brother. Perhaps we'll find agreement, perhaps we won't. Nevertheless, we'll focus on Christ and we'll both win in Him.

Does this mean I pick up the banner of "slain in the Spirit?" No, actually, I think it means I thank God that Christ is preached and I move on from my brother in Christ and put my focus on the larger portion of humanity that DOES NOT know Christ. My efforts are better spent sharing my faith with those who know not Christ than quibbling with my brother about "slain in the Spirit."

Now, if someone comes to me and ASKS me about the matter, THEN I share with them the truth of what I believe: Nevertheless, I do so ALWAYS in moderation of emotion, careful as to have an eye out for crossing the line into my own hyper-emotionalism and lust feeding because I know there is that thing in me -- oh yeah -- and let's not forget the Devil is right there to lend a hand to my flesh feeding frenzy-tendency!

Got into a bit of a tiff with my wife today: We talked about it tonight. Dawned on me that the hiding player in the game was the Devil and Hell itself. I pointed that out. I said to her, "Honey, I am not giving enough credit here. I am blaming you and blaming me and leaving out a huge instigator in our spat and he needs his cover blown!" She agreed.

The same can and sure does happen here. With me. With you all. The Devil is gleefully happy to have us in a combative lust feeding frenzy on the divisional emotions of debate, argument and in-fighting between us. In this "slain in the Spirit" discussion, I am sober enough to want to point this out MOSTLY in my own self. I apologize to you all and ask your forgiveness if I have been a sucker for demonic tactics in bringing a level of division and judgement. Paul was right:

... but rather judge this, not to put a stumbling-block or an offense toward his brother.

[AnotherTraveler]

I have been reading through this thread,and I can say I am honestly shocked and some what saddened by most of the responses given.

Why am I shocked I dont know,I realize the truth is despised and the Holy Spirit is put in a box so I shouldn't be shocked at all but I am truly saddened.

Candi has is right.

I will only go to a church where the Holy spirit is welcome, this is not a crazy church, this type has order in it as well and respect. Where laying on of hands and people have faith (where the word is preached) and healing are manifest. I have experienced this and am not ashamed of myself for it, I know that God would bring me correction if it were wrong. I have only been blessed by God during prayer and never have I walked away demon possessed, I can assure you.

I will testify that the Holy Spirit is real and still at work today, I will not defend "slain in the spirit" and your definition of it. Neither will I react to the Holy Spirits presence any differently if you asked me to, I love the Lord and will walk in that freedom!

Blessings

candi770

God bless you all.

Amen

[kari21]

I think God has too much dignity to allow his followers to flop around like fish out of water...

[HisMindinme]

First, given what I now know, I certainly will not attempt to "talk you out of it." I see that I am here now, loving the Lord Jesus Christ and His Spirit and Mind in me (through His Spirit in me). I spent a long time in a church body who practiced "slain in the Spirit" a lot (common thing). I will not do it again except that it be the reality of it and not the "culture" of it and my own mind at work doing for the sake of "being a part of the group." I was there then, I am here now. You there where you are. The important thing is: Christ in you, His Mind IN you.

Nevertheless, the comments I write below are not for you who I am quoting below. When you get to the last paragraph of this response, you'll read my reason for writing this. My prayer is for your peace in the Lord and His Spirit in you forming His Mind in you: The Mind of Christ.

I have been reading through this thread,and I can say I am honestly shocked and some what saddened by most of the responses given.

I can see this thing in me as well, where I am "shocked." <-- intense emotion that I don't just experience (we all experience shock), but after the experience, finding that both positive and negative emotion feeds my lust, I then choose to think thoughts to dwell in and on the matter. For what purpose? To feed the lusts of my flesh.

Why am I shocked I dont know,I realize the truth is despised and the Holy Spirit is put in a box so I shouldn't be shocked at all but I am truly saddened.

"Holy Spirit is put in a box" <-- Christian cliche, jargon and Christo-speak. There is nothing wrong with it if the Mind of Christ is the source. That aside, the key to see is how Christians have a "culture" just like any other "human mind" based culture. For this person even the phrase "truth is despised" might be something heard in a sermon or some other venue. I don't know and I am not guessing, just observing.

Notice the trail of thinking leading to emotion. This person "sees" all these things (i.e. "truth despised" and "H.S. in a 'box'") and the outcome is shock and sadness. Now, the thing to see is how this is a CLUE (not a judgement) -- a CLUE. The clue begs a question: Mind of Christ -- OR -- Mind of man? Glorifying God -- Vs -- Feeding Lusts of Flesh?

I am NOT attempting to answer this question for this person. I am pointing it out and writing to you: This is what happens in ME as well. I see it happening in me and after watching it in me for several years now, I turn outward and see it happening in others (indirectly and externally from CLUES). So, I ask myself: Are others like me? Does it work the same in them as well? I think the answer is YES -- it does.

Candi has is right.

Here is a another example: "Candi has it right." <-- we're all searching for right. Right feels good. Wrong feels bad (but can still be fed from). This is like, "No one wants to be on the losing team!" We're in search of "right" because "being right" feeds the lusts of the flesh. Is there something more to this than that? I think there is:

Being (like) Christ! <-- reborn in precise patterning, reconstructed in the same likeness.

Notice how Jesus asks us to come: in abject humility of "NOTHING in me is 'right'!" I need YOU (Jesus). In this state, the Lord then responds. How does He respond in this New Testament? By placing His Spirit in us. And what is the purpose and reason for putting His Spirit in us? To put Himself in us -- His mind -- the Mind of Christ born and birthed in us. A mind unshackled from obedience to sin, lusts and flesh.

Here is where we get a righteousness that is not our own, but His who is the embodiment of righteousness, holiness and so on.

Do you see how "Candi is right" is divisional? The person writing this just put a line around Candi and themselves and effectively said, "We're right" and that may imply (to them) -- you're wrong, or at least -- you're NOT right (you're something else). It is this "contest" that is NOT the unity of the Spirit of Christ (Mind of Christ) in us. Christ is not divided. So, when we see such divisional language, it is a CLUE about what is happening.

Honestly, personally, I used to believe and think like Candi. For years I did. I just see things differently now for myself and for reasons. The chief reason is I now see my own mechanism of my own mind feeding emotions to the lusts of my flesh like a good slave. I challenge things like "slain in the Spirit" IN MYSELF because I now put myself under the self-examination microscope looking for where this lust feeding mechanism is at work in me and then ask and seek after the Mind of Christ in it through His Spirit in me using His Word to inspire (inflowing Spirit) me.

Because I have walked in these shoes I am empathetic and understand. I could not be here now without having been there then. There led to here. Even that is not important: What IS important is that something of Christ was in me all along that trail from there to here. What I am deeply encouraged by is how these folks have that self-same thing. So, "slain in the Spirit" is something I will not do, but I will now not look to cause these dear Christians to stumble because of what I am saying. Forgive me if I have said something that causes someone here to faulter before the Lord.

I will only go to a church where the Holy spirit is welcome, this is not a crazy church, this type has order in it as well and respect. Where laying on of hands and people have faith (where the word is preached) and healing are manifest. I have experienced this and am not ashamed of myself for it, I know that God would bring me correction if it were wrong. I have only been blessed by God during prayer and never have I walked away demon possessed, I can assure you.

I will testify that the Holy Spirit is real and still at work today, I will not defend "slain in the spirit" and your definition of it. Neither will I react to the Holy Spirits presence any differently if you asked me to, I love the Lord and will walk in that freedom!

Blessings

candi770

God bless you all.

There are words to write where danger is pointed out, but there comes a time when it is obvious that the message will not be heard. This is one of those times. So, what I have written above in comment and response is not intended for those who wrote these things, but to those others who do hear and do understand. My prayers are towards ALL of us together to live in peace together in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Spirit and Mind in us.

[terter]

Wonder how dignified

[HisMindinme]

More examples of CLUES about humanity walking in an emotional twist for the purpose of lust feeding:

Wonder how dignified

[MrsSealedEternal]

Wonder how dignified

[Vickilynn]

I think God has too much dignity to allow his followers to flop around like fish out of water...

Shalom Kari,

C'mon now, don't be shy, tell us what you REALLY think!!

[IreneM]

my response is on one thing

Putting Jesus in a box

The Lord God is the same yesterday today and forever

Is that putting Him in a box since He and the Father are one ???

In Christ

IreneM

[OneLight]

my response is on one thing

Putting Jesus in a box

The Lord God is the same yesterday today and forever

Is that putting Him in a box since He and the Father are one ???

In Christ

IreneM

This is off topic, and I do apologize, but I felt this question needed to be answered.

As I see it, the "box" is our understanding of scripture. Jesus will do what He will, but the box is what we believe the scripture says the Holy Spirit is, or is not, doing today. Jesus stated in John 14:12: Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

To put the Holy Spirit in a box is limiting Him to what we can find in the scripture, not allowing Him to do greater works.

OneLight