Openly Curious

It never says if the woman had these kids out of wedlock or not. It never says if she was married and got a divorce or for what reason. Anywho, the man is entitled to his opinion and it seems he knows what he wants and the woman is obviously not the woman he wants to be with. The man wants a woman to be his wife and have kids of his own with and, not a ready made family he obviously feels like he would be trapped in. The woman wants a man to bare the burden of raising her kids and it is obvious by what she said. The man see's through it and wants no part of it. Voicing his opinion is not wrong it is better than allowing things to escalate to the point of no return and later be sorry.

I personally don't think God would pick either one. But instead he would say... Hebrews 4:7-11...Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time; as it was said, Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts...For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day...There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God...For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works as God did from his...Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. A person enters into The "Day" of Rest (the Sabbath) when they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and become a new creature. Being reconciled to the Heavenly Father through Jesus Christ. The day we cease from our sins is the "Day" (the Sabbath) we enter into His Rest and cease from the labour of our sins. It however is not talking about our physical labour but it is speaking of the works (sins) of the flesh we committed. There are people who go to church and have never entered into the Rest (Sabbath) of God as their deeds or works are still evil. There are many who have not entered into the rest of God because of unbelief as in the OT example that is being referenced in Hebrews 4. A person can only enter in and have the peace or rest of God when they stop walking in unbelief and start walking in obedience to God set free to walk in the Spirit and not fulfill the lust (sins, works, deeds, wrongdoing, fruit unto death) of their flesh. If a person finds This Day of Rest then everyday is Holy and one can worship any and every day of the week as one day is not above the other. OT examples are for our learning.

I wonder the same thing. It could explain perhaps what led the teacher to go into left field pertaining to politics.

Dispensationalist

Jesus is NOT an angel in which you "are" believing and teaching that is a wrong assumption on your part. Michael is an actual angel and Jesus is the Son of the living God. Jesus and Micheal do not have the same role or purpose. Perhaps you skimmed over Hebrews 1 concerning Jesus and the angels vs. 5)...For unto which of the "angels" said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son...6) And again when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let the angels of God worship him...7) And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire...8) But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom...........13) But to which of the angels saith he at any time, Sit on my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool?...14) Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Scripture plainly and forthrightly tells us that God never told any of the angels (including Michael) -that they were his Son-that they were begotten of the Father-that Father God would be a Father to them-or that the angels would be a Son to the Father. But God told the angels whenever he brought his Son Jesus into this world that they were to worship him. God also told the angels that he made them spirits his ministers. But God told Jesus that his throne was to be for ever and ever. But God never told any of his angels not even Michael to Sit on his right hand until he made his enemies his footstool. But he instead told the angels they "ALL" were ministering spirit who were being sent forth to minister to those who would be heirs of salvation. And that is the God given role that has been given to the angels even Michael the archangel is only a ministering spirit. Jesus and Michael are not one in the same as you claim. Michael is a ministering spirit and Jesus is the Son of God as they have different functions and purpose. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God their is no need to take on a role of an angel for he is King of kings and Lord of lords. Angels are not figures as you referenced them to be in the OT. There are however figures, types and shadows in the OT that are given to us. But angels are not figures of Christ as I have shown from Hebrews 1 but angels are spirits who minister to them who shall be the heirs of salvation. The scripture in Rev 22:9 is not a picture of John worshiping the angel of God in the NT. The Revelation of Jesus Christ and the role he would play during the end time events that will be happening in the earth was being revealed or shown to John by an angel of the Lord who showed and made known to him all of the things he wrote down in Revelation that he was to send out to the seven churches in order that they would have this knowledge as Christ is not finished in this world yet. You can in Revelation 1:1-3 see what the role of this angel was in John's life. John wanted more than one time to worship the angel who was showing him and making known the meaning of the things he saw but the angel stopped him and told him not to worship him but to worship God. Because the angel was only a fellow servant of God just like John himself was a servant of God and for him to worship God instead (Revelation 19:10). In the scripture you gave you can see the exact same thing happening as was going on in Rev 19:10 but John never ever once worshiped an angel like you are claiming. The captain of the host of the Lord in this passage was an angel who was captain of the army of God. Just as Joshua was the earthly captain of the army of the children of Israel. It was like the servant of Elisha or Elijah when God opened up his eyes he saw the army of God that was encompassed about them and they were more in the army of God than they was in the earthly armies that was surrounding them as God fought for them. Same thing going on in this passage Joshua was by Jericho and he happened to look up. When he did he saw a man over against him that had his sword drawn out in his hand. Joshua went over to this man and he asked him if he was for them (on their side) or was he on the enemies side. The man said he wasn't on their side nor was he their enemy. But the man began to reveal to Joshua just who he was and for the purpose in which he came as the captain of the army of God or his angels. When Joshua realized who this man actually was, an angel who just happened to be captain of the Lord's host (army of angels) whom God had sent to him letting him know the army of God's angels was with him. The walls of Jericho was about to be divinely pulled out from under the feet of the enemies of the children of Israel. The enemies of Israel was about to face the children of God eyeball to eyeball as that protecting wall that was surrounding them was about to be divinely jerked out from among them by the Lord's host as it was soon to fall. However the scripture never says Joshua worshiped the angel (captain of the Lord's host). But it says after he finds out who the man is in verse 14....And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant. It says Joshua falls on his face to the ground and did worship then afterward he says to the angel or captain of the Lord's host What is it that his lord wanted to say to to him his servant. It never says once Joshua fell down and worships the captain of the Lord's host it just says after he finds out who the man really is he falls down and worships. But it is very clear that Joshua did not view the captain of the host as God but he recognized him as a heavenly messenger sent to him by God or he would have never asked What was the message that God wanted to give to him. It is only your assumption that Joshua worshiped the angel or the captain of the Lord's host as it is not in the text. It is not okay to worship angels at anytime be it in past, present or future tense it is a no, no forbidden by God. I'd like to see this in the commentaries, which one do you find it in either directly or implying it? Micheal is not Jesus and Joshua was not the captain of the host of the Lord who came with sword saying he was ready for war. That was not the message Joshua got from the Lord through the angelic messenger being the captain of the Lord's host. But Joshua was told by the messenger to take off his shoes for the place where he was standing was holy ground.....and not that he was ready for war. The natural (carnal) mind is a enemy toward God as the natural mind understandeth not the things of the Spirit. I am most curious what garments you would expect Jesus to come out to battle in. The scripture you are referring to is part of a prayer that Jesus prayed for the church or those who would come to believe on him through the witness of other believers after he was gone from this earth. The 17th chapter is also dealing with how the Father had been glorified and seen in the life of Jesus his Son by the works God did through him. Both were one as one was not without the other. Jesus wants to be glorified and seen in our personal life in the same manner that the Father was seen living in his he want us to be one with him as he was one with the Father. Our fruit needs to be unto righteousness and not fruit unto death.

I agree an old thread being rehashed doesn't take away it's validity. Neither does it take away the the error found within it no matter what the subject of the topic may be that is being rehashed. The scriptures in Hebrews 1 clearly show that in these last days we are living in that God is speaking unto us (mankind) directly through his Son Jesus Christ (the Word). God in the past or in OT times spoke unto the fathers by using the prophets as God would move upon them at different times and in different manners. You seem to see a distinction between angels and God but cannot seem to see a distinction between the voices of the two (God and angels) as being seperate. Which does not diminish the fact that God uses his angels as ministering spirits. No, but you have issue with the nature of God which is not the nature of angels nor the nature of Adam. The angels bow down and worship God and cry holy, holy, holy using their own voices and not the voice of God. There are all kinds of types and shadows and figures that are being used in the OT that are just that figures, types and shadows of things to come pointing us to Christ Jesus that would be born into the world through the virgin Mary His Father being God Himself. If in the OT scripture it is describing a being as an "angel" or looking "like an angel" then it is an angel and not God. Being a type, shadow or figure of Christ Jesus that was still yet to come. What evidence are you referring too that shows that the voice of an angel has the same function as Jesus? Absolutely Not Even One of the angels from the highest ranking to the lowest ranking angel that was created by God, "function" was to die for the sins of the world. No voice of any of the archangel found in the bible function was equal to that of Jesus that was to come. They are not one in the same nor have the same function. Even if you think they are in your personal thoughts it isn't true. No archangel's voice function was that of Christ Jesus our Lord whose soul purpose and function was to suffer the cross shedding his blood and giving his own body as the sacrifice for the sins of man. Show me in scripture where the archangel's function was to die for the sins of man.

Satan uses temptation be it believer or unbeliever to get us to sin against God to destroy one's life anyway he can to entice a person. Satan is a liar and has been from the beginning as he lied to Eve deceiving or tricking her into eating of the forbidden tree and given it to Adam to eat. Satan has been using lies ever since the beginning of time and YES he plants thoughts in the minds of even Christians to be the instruments of iniquity (sin, unrighteousness or wrong doing) and that even includes Christians being tempted to shoot their own just as Cain killed his brother Abel because his own works (deeds) were evil (sinful).

Remnantrob, The question of the thread was, "Is the voice of the Son of God, the voice of the Archangel"? Absolutely Not! MissMuffet clearly through the scriptures she brought to this old thread showed very clear and precisely that Jesus and angels are not the same thing. But you rejected those scriptures can't help you in that regard. I'll put it to you like this and then I'll leave it up to you. God can use any of his created beings as spokesman but the vessel used is not the voice of God in the literal sense, but instead you hear the voice of the spokesman being used. You do not actually physically hear what the sound of the voice of God really sounds like. But every one hears the intended message from God that he wanted to hear it through the spokesman's natural voice. Be it a donkey's voice, a preacher voice, a prophet's voice, an archangel voice be it Gabriel or Micheal, an evangelist's voice, a teacher's voice, or other angel's voices. All are only spokesman with their own natural created voices God gave each of them as a created being. And it is not the actual sound of the physical voice of God that he has as his own. God has many ambassadors in which he merely uses to speak his messages forth in this earth but still it is not the actual sound of God's own voice speaking but the ambassadors voices in which we hear that he is merely speaking through. One day we will all know what the actual voice of God sounds like in our own ears without him having to use messengers of any kind from his created beings. In scripture I believe in 1 John 3 it says we are the sons of God. But I know I do not possess God's own voice I only possess the voice I was given as a created being and that voice God can use if he so desires at any given time. But I remain lowly and humble at heart as my voice or angels voices couldn't do anything on it's own, even if God chooses to use it. It is God's power and we are not one and the same being. The voice of the Son of God (Jesus, the spoken word of God) is his own voice that was in the bossom of the Father (John 1) but the voice of the archangel is it's own given voice by God even though speaking on God's behalf. The archangel is only a created being. I have failed to see the point of your discussions in this old thread. But one day we will hear that powerful voice that can speak things into existence from nothing (the spoken Word of God Jesus from the beginning) for ourselves without the voices of spokesman being used. And HIS voice will not and does not belong to any of the created beings in which God created whether in the heavens or in the earth.

It is the archangel that comes along "with" the Lord when he descends from heaven that gives the shout with his voice and gives the trumpet blast gladly "hearlding" (making known) the Lord's coming. God is not alone when he descends from heaven but the archangel accompanies him giving the shout and blast of the trumpet and not the Lord himself as once again he is not alone when he descends from heaven.

I think it literally means not to touch or lay your hands on God's people with the intent to harm them in any way. Go back and read in the OT how David treated King Saul. David had so many opportunities many times over to physically harm and even take Saul's life away from him but he never did because he was anointed by God to be King.

By obedience actually practicing the things the Bible says.

Something such as grace and truth are distinguishable and can be detected or observed (seen) especially as being separate or different from one another. Certainly grace is found in the truth but if you do not respond to the truth in faith you will not receive the gift of grace that comes through faith. God being gracious or kind to the godly and ungodly in this world is not the same gift of grace that is given at the time of salvation as God is good to everyone but the ungodly are still unsaved and have not the gift of grace we are saved by through faith. They are separate and can be separable and very much distinguishable.

I have no idea where in the scripture you are coming up with this 3 year timeline to become born again. The scripture teaches that none of us have the promise of tomorrow let alone another 3 years to get born again. Having no promise of tomorrow means that now is the acceptable time to accept Christ as your Savior and Lord. There are so many things that can happen in between right now and tomorrow where one may never ever get the chance again to repent of there sins. One can die in there sleep, one could be killed in a car accident and so many other things that could happen to where they never have the chance to call on the name of the Lord. The scriptures teach the opposite of what you are telling people as right now is the acceptable time to be saved and not put it off thinking you have 3 years timeline to do it in that is bogus.

Not really

But you can have one without the other as I've said therefore they can be separable. Grace can be omitted by way of rejecting the truth for it is a gift from God separate from the truth.

I tend to believe that grace and truth are two separate things. That they are not one and the same thing as you are claiming they are inseparable being one and the same thing but I see them as two separate things altogether. The truth can be preached but all that hear the truth will not receive the gift of grace through faith after hearing the truth. Some will still reject it and not respond to it by faith remaining in their sins unrepentant toward God. Grace is a gift from God given to only those who respond in faith to the gospel as they come to call on God repenting of their sins and believing Christ died on the cross, was buried, and was resurrected on the third day.

If you have not called out to God, repented (confessed with your mouth) of your sins, accepted Christ into your heart as the sacrifice for your sins. And believe that Jesus died on the cross, that he was buried and arose again on the third day. Then you no longer are a child of disobedience but a child of obedience obeying the will of God. No longer predestined to hell but are now part of Christ's body. However if you have not called on the name of the Lord repenting of your sin then you still are a child of disobedience predestined to hell because you have not obeyed the will of God concerning salvation.

The fear of the Lord is to shun (hate) evil.

Yes the devil will use scripture against us he will twist it and add lies within the truth just as he did to Jesus in the wilderness and has done from the beginning. Satan is a liar and nobody will listen to a known liar in this world would they? It should be that way as believers when it comes to Satan He Is A Liar and when he comes to confuse us we shouldn't listen to him as he is the author of confusion. But it is Christ who is the author and finisher of our faith. Doing what is right or good according to scripture in this life being righteous. Doing what is wrong (sin, wickedness, evil bad deeds or works) in this life disobeying the scripture is being unrighteous in this world. If you sow good things then you will reap everlasting life. If you sow evil things and wrong doings in this world the you will reap eternal damnation (Galatians 6). Repentance comes in only with a godly sorrow working in our hearts. One can be sincerely sorry for something they have done wrong at a particular time. But then turn around the next day and do the very same thing all over again and again being truly sorry each time they do the wrong but they never come to true repentance. Being sorry isn't repentance. True repentance comes with having a godly sorrow for the wrong you have done in your life. It is having remorse before God and others for the wrong you did. Godly sorrow working in our hearts says I'm sorry for my sins (wrong doing) and does not do it again as there is remorse with repentance go and sin no more. Repentance spoken about in the scripture come with godly sorrow working in one's heart with remorse that turns them away from wrong doing. I'm sorry the devil has gotten you weary in this battle but scripture tells us that if we resist the devil he will flee from us. He will come back to fight against us again but having the armor of God on he will have a much harder time in the next battle.

There can be no fellowship or communication if one doesn't open their hearts door and let Jesus in. "Here I Am" is a biblical term as some have already mentioned. Samuel kept hearing his name being called and he went to Eli every time and asked him what was it he wanted. Finally Eli realized that it was the Lord who was actually calling Sameul. Eli then instructed Samuel to go back to bed and if he heard the voice calling his name again the he was to answer and say "Here I Am Lord Send Me". Samuel heard the voice again and he did respond to the voice as Eli had instructed him and the Lord gave the prophet Samuel a word to give to Eli in how the Lord was going to bring judgment upon his household as Eli did not discipline his sons as he should have. As a result his sons serving as priest in the temple done wickedness while serving in the temple. Isaiah also heard the call of God and answered the Lord by saying "Here I Am Lord Send Me". Both Samuel and Isaiah were called to be prophets or mouth pieces for God. The Lord would give them message and send them out to whomever he would send them unto and deliver the "Thus saith the Lord" message from God. Many hear the call of God but will not answer it.

It is not the will of God to divorce your current wife. Do you not think God can forgive a person who has had a divorce in their past and give them a new start in life. Do you actually think you will be more righteous to put your wife away for no reason other than her past marriage? You have admitted that both of you have repented and now are living for God does it not bring any reasoning to your current walk That God Hates Divorce? Will you then sin against her by putting her away without a cause?

I wish more women would realize this. Doing what is right makes you virtuous in it's finest essence.

What I get out of Proverbs 31 is that each Christian woman has virtues (values) of their own and they practice them to the good of others. Implementing and using one's personal values is very beneficial in her live her familes life and to the reputation of her husband life in the community. Implementing her values can also benefit the life of others. But not having any values (virtues) of her own she can't be a blessing to herself or any one else for that matter.

Visiting those in the nursing home is a good way to overcome your loneliness as there are many who have no one to visits with them and they have needs like blankets, combs etc., that can be ministered unto. Lot of them can entertain you with their stories and share their recipes with you. You can create a purpose for yourself to overcome your loneliness. blessings