Alcohol

[anitarose]

This is exactly why I cannot touch ANY alcohol. To me, it's sin, whether I drink one glass of wine or a shot of Jack Daniels.

Different things to different people. And what does the Scripture say about causing a brother/sister to sin doing something you don't think is sin? (Romans 14:1-23, specifically verses 13-23) When I go to Shabbat dinner, they know I have problems with wine and serve me grape juice because they love me and don't want to see me sin or to HELP me sin.

If I come to your house, you had better not be serving me alcohol.

a.

[Guest LadyC]

why? what makes one alcoholic beverage any better or worse than the next? i mean we've been arguing for how many pages now about whether or not it is a sin to touch alcohol, and most people agree that it is not. now is it gonna turn into a debate of what types of alcohol are sins?

biblically we are to abstain from intoxication.

if it's ok to have a glass of wine, it's ok to have a rum and coke. if mixed properly, the alcohol content of each is the same.

As far as I know it doesn't take a whole lot of rum to get yourself off to a bad place. It's called hard liquor for a reason.

but again, the key is if it is properly mixed... not much rum should go in a glass of cola. my true preference of beverage is either a strawberry daquiri made with... what goes in a daquiri? rum or vodka? i forget... or chambord with pineapple juice.

a standard serving is:

* A 12-ounce can or bottle of regular beer

* A 5-ounce glass of dinner wine

* A shot (one and one-half ounces) of 80 proof liquor or spirits such as vodka, tequila, or rum either straight or in a mixed drink.

[MorningGlory]

This is exactly why I cannot touch ANY alcohol. To me, it's sin, whether I drink one glass of wine or a shot of Jack Daniels.

Different things to different people. And what does the Scripture say about causing a brother/sister to sin doing something you don't think is sin? (Romans 14:1-23, specifically verses 13-23) When I go to Shabbat dinner, they know I have problems with wine and serve me grape juice because they love me and don't want to see me sin or to HELP me sin.

If I come to your house, you had better not be serving me alcohol.

a.

I never touch alcohol either but, even though I wish it was because I am ultra pious, it's because I just don't like it and don't need it. I think it's okay for someone else to have a drink or two if they wish but I will NOT suffer a drunk anywhere near me. Nothing is more disgusting.

[Guest LadyC]

no kidding! if only people knew how foolish they look when they're slobbering all over themselves, they'd quit!

[OneLight]

I found out some time ago that I was allergic to alcohol ... I break out in handcuffs ...

[exrockstar]

Ex, are you serious or joking?

i'm actually serious. am i not allowed to drink a glass of rum and coke?

i dont drink to get plastered.

[exrockstar]

after reading some of these comments in this thread....im reminded of Meryl Streep's character in "Doubt."

[exrockstar]

Ex, are you serious or joking?

He's serious unfortunately

Sorry poke but that sounds really judgemental.

I perfer CC and 7up myself. It's not what kind of alcohol you drink, it's about intoxication.

I'm sorry.

I just don't see a mature Christian saying things like that. It bugs me. If I'm wrong, tell me. I think I'd gasp if I heard a pastor say something like that. I'd only expect to hear it from a college student.

I apologize for being judgemental, though. It's a sin I seriously struggle with day-to-day. Forgive me?

yes we forgive you.

"even those you judge will forgive you for your judgment." - book of exrockstar 7:11

[Servant54]

Here are some interesting things from "About.com".

These are not "Biblical" reasons to avoid alcoholic beverages. They are, moral reasons. Should a Christian have two or three beers with friends at the bar, then drive home... when there are so many other beverages available?

Total Fatalities / Fatality Rates

250,000 people have died in alcohol related accidents in the past 10 years.

Presently 25,000 people are killed each year in alcohol related accidents.

500 people are killed each week in alcohol related accidents.

71 people are killed each day in alcohol related accidents.

One American life is lost every 20 minutes in alcohol related auto crashes.

It is estimated that one out of every two Americans will be involved in an alcohol related accident in his or her lifetime.

In 1994, New Hampshire had 119 total highway fatalities, 42 were alcohol related (or 35.3% of the total). New Hampshire leads the nation with one of the lowest percentages of alcohol related fatalities.

Cause of Death

Alcohol related crashes are the leading cause of death for young Americans, between the ages of 16 and 24 years old.

For all Americans between 5 and 35 years of age, motor vehicle accidents are the number one cause of death. Over 50% of these accidents are caused by alcohol impaired drivers.

Recent Alcohol-Involvement

Over 50% of all fatal highway crashes involving two or more cars are alcohol related.

Over 65% of all fatal single car crashes are alcohol related.

Over 36% percent of all adult pedestrian accidents are alcohol related.

80% of all fatal alcohol related auto crashes occur between 8 pm and 8 am.

36% of all adult pedestrian accidents involve an intoxicated pedestrian.

Injury Crashes / Collisions

Every year, 708,000 persons are injured in alcohol related crashes; 74, 000 of those people suffer serious injuries.

About 2,000 people are hurt each day in alcohol related accidents.

Two million alcohol impaired driving collisions occur each year.

Arrest / Characteristics of Alcohol Impaired Drivers

Of every 200 to 2,000 alcohol impaired drivers on the road, only one is arrested. Therefore, the probability of getting caught is slim. Of those who are caught, very few receive a serious penalty.

The average alcohol impaired driver arrested on the highway has a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of .20%, double the level for presumed intoxication in most states; that is 14 drinks of 86% proof liquor (or 14 beers) in 4 hours for a 180 lb. man.

Between 7 pm and 3 am on weekends, 10% of all drivers are legally impaired, in some parts of the country.

Most Americans drink alcohol. Over 80% admit to driving after drinking. Relatively few problem drinkers, about 7% of the driving population, account for over 66% of all alcohol related fatal accidents.

When drinkers are at the presumed level of intoxication, the risk of causing an accident is six times greater than for non-drinking drivers.

Youth

Although persons between 16 and 24 years old comprise only 20% of the total licensed population, and 20% of the total vehicle miles traveled in this country by all licensed drivers, they cause 42 percent of all fatal atcohol related crashes.

Economic/Societal Cost

According to a recent Allstate Insurance Company study, alcohol impaired drivers are estimated to cost American taxpayers $21 - $24 billion dollars per year.

National Geographic recently stated that alcohol abuse costs American society $136 billion and 65,000 lives annually.

Miscellaneous

Admittedly, the United States has one of the safest highway systems in the world, due in part to design characteristics, guard rails, highway markings and signs. We have relatively few fatalities per 100-million miles driven. But the portion of our accidents involving alcohol is among the highest in the world.

An accident by an alcohol impaired driver is the most frequently committed violent crime in the United States today.

Other alcohol-related statistics show the involvement of alcohol in many non-driving aspects:

40% of all suicide attempts are alcohol-related

54% of all violent crimes are alcohol-related

60% of all emergency room admissions are alcohol-related

80% of all domestic disputes are alcohol-related

Stats from alcoholism.about.com

[Shiloh62]

I found out some time ago that I was allergic to alcohol ... I break out in handcuffs ...

lol OneLight