The Meaning Behind Matthew 27:46?

[BlindSeeker]

You really need to get into my Justified in the Spirit thread Jamilea.

[traveller]

Summary- Jesus wasn

[Massorite]

Yah I don't get that either just like why is Jesus sitting at the right hand of God in Heaven if they are one?

My husband just said that in Heaven, they are 1. On earth, they are 2 because Jesus is flesh. He came down here as Jesus because God couldn't come down Himself because He can not be present where sin is? Also to leave us an example of Him and His ways and all the things that Jesus was, is and is to come could not be unless He is God.

Jesus is now and always has been a part of God. In Genesis God says 'Let US go down and make man in OUR image". The words US and OUR are speaking of the Father , the Son, and the Holy Spirit

Also in the book of Genesis Abraham is sitting at the door of his tent when he sees three strangers on a hill. They were the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

And now The Father is in heaven, the Son is at the right hand side of God and the Holy Spirit is here on earth as a comforter to us. In the short, The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit ARE God. All in one and one in all. God can be all in one or three seperate intities but in the end in verse 22 of Revelation the throne of God and the throne of the Lamb are the same throne. There is only one light of God not two.

Hope this helps.

[BlindSeeker]

You really need to get into my Justified in the Spirit thread Jamilea.

I'm workin on it.

So is that a no to my question? I really just wanted to know if what my husband told me is scriptural.

If I answered one way or the other you would just have another's person's perspective. If you use the helps to prayerfully consider the matter yourself, you can have conviction of the spirit.

Which would you rather have?

[BlindSeeker]

Yah I don't get that either just like why is Jesus sitting at the right hand of God in Heaven if they are one?

My husband just said that in Heaven, they are 1. On earth, they are 2 because Jesus is flesh. He came down here as Jesus because God couldn't come down Himself because He can not be present where sin is? Also to leave us an example of Him and His ways and all the things that Jesus was, is and is to come could not be unless He is God.

Jesus is now and always has been a part of God. In Genesis God says 'Let US go down and make man in OUR image". The words US and OUR are speaking of the Father , the Son, and the Holy Spirit

Also in the book of Genesis Abraham is sitting at the door of his tent when he sees three strangers on a hill. They were the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

And now The Father is in heaven, the Son is at the right hand side of God and the Holy Spirit is here on earth as a comforter to us. In the short, The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit ARE God. All in one and one in all. God can be all in one or three seperate intities but in the end in verse 22 of Revelation the throne of God and the throne of the Lamb are the same throne. There is only one light of God not two.

Hope this helps.

Since there is no directive to the statement, i.e. "The Father said to the Son," your assertion here is only only your own applied assumption (shared by many which, nonetheless, isn't the foundation of credibility).

[Saved_by_Jesus]

Hi all, hope I have this in the right area. If not, please forgive me in advance.

I'm extremely curious as to the meaning of Matthew 27:46.

Matthew 27:46:

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

I don't understand this verse, for many reasons. 1, being that Jesus is supposed to not only be the son of God, but God himself. If he is God himself, why is he calling out to God? Isn't that an indication that the two are separate?

And secondly, Jesus coming to earth was to fulfill prophecy written in the OT. Jesus knew what his mission was on this earth, and the future events that would take place. Why did he feel that he was being forsaken by God?

That whole verse throws me off, or am I reading it completely out of context?

When we have sin in our lives, we are separated from God, until we confess and repent. When Jesus was on the cross, He had the sin of everyone in the world on His shoulders.....and He could not feel His Father's presence! The beatings and torture were bad enough, but what was so devastating to Him was the fact that He could not FEEL God's presence because of all the sin He had not committed on His shoulders. That's why He said "Why have You forsaken me?" Jesus had given up His Kingdom in Heaven to come to earth and die for us....He was still the Son of God, but as a human, He would still pray to His Father.

It is very confusing to me too-not in that part, but in the NT in the letters from Paul, and in Revelations, where it says in Paul's greetings things like "Peace to you from God AND Jesus Christ" That's where I get thrown off, because Jesus has clearly already died and gone back to Heaven.

I think though, that the key is in how the Bible talks about being "one with God". How we, as Christians,are all ONE in the body of Christ, who is IN God. I think that is somehow the key.

Paul says (I can't remember the book or verse, sorry!) that "my relationship is with God the Father AND the Lord Jesus Christ". That one really gets me because it sure sounds like two different Beings there!

And what else confuses me is why is there no mention of the Holy Spirit having a throne in Heaven? Like when Stephen got stoned, he looked up and saw the Heavens opened, and Jesus sitting at the right hand of God. Why does it not mention the Holy Spirit sitting on the other hand of God? Unless the Holy Spirit is the 7 Spirits mentioned in Revelations.

I guess there are just some things we won't know until we get to Heaven.

[JCMS]

Thanks everyone for all the replies, they were extremely helpful and gave me a lot more understanding of that verse and its meaning.

I also agree with travelerr, BlindSeeker thank you so much for investing so much time into such wonderful, well-written replies. They were very helpful and full of knowledge.

[kross]

Yah I don't get that either just like why is Jesus sitting at the right hand of God in Heaven if they are one?

My husband just said that in Heaven, they are 1. On earth, they are 2 because Jesus is flesh. He came down here as Jesus because God couldn't come down Himself because He can not be present where sin is? Also to leave us an example of Him and His ways and all the things that Jesus was, is and is to come could not be unless He is God.

In HEaven, JESUS is still flesh. Even as HIS spirit is eternal and dwelt in human flesh on earth, so HIS glorified body, the one that resembles what we will be when we are glorified, sits beside HIS eternal spirit GODHEAD. His glorified self able to relate to our struggles and to see what we have to deal with, interceeding for us from the prospective of one who knows our sufferings and temptations.

It is easier for me to understand JESUS in the light of HIS two identities. HIS eternal existance is never interupted, even as HE takes on the form of a human and live with us and as one of us. HIS flesh has a beginning and an end, yet HIS person is eternal. HIS flesh existance is the foreshadowing of all that awaits us, even as HIS GODness is in the eternal state.

I can not explain it any better and I am sure there are those who will take exception with the way I have stated something, so you will get a good discussion on it from here, if that has not already happened.

As far as whether your husband is correct, or biblical, most of this is speculation and extractionfrom scripture. The why and how and what of GOD and JESUS are still shrouded in mystery;

For now we see through a glass darkly, but then we will see face to face. Paul didn't have all the answers and we don't even understand all of what he wrote.

[seekeratthesea]

Hi all, hope I have this in the right area. If not, please forgive me in advance.

I'm extremely curious as to the meaning of Matthew 27:46.

Matthew 27:46:

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

I don't understand this verse, for many reasons. 1, being that Jesus is supposed to not only be the son of God, but God himself. If he is God himself, why is he calling out to God? Isn't that an indication that the two are separate?

And secondly, Jesus coming to earth was to fulfill prophecy written in the OT. Jesus knew what his mission was on this earth, and the future events that would take place. Why did he feel that he was being forsaken by God?

That whole verse throws me off, or am I reading it completely out of context?

Guessing........

Christ took on the sin of the world when he was on that cross.

We know that sin creates a separation from God, but we also know that Christ being God AND the Son of God at the same time would seem to be something of an exception to every rule.

So did our sin actually create a temporary separation from God, or the illusion of one. Christ shouldn't be susceptible to such an illusion but does the fact that he suddenly takes on our sinful nature change that susceptibility? Did our sin make him less Christlike than He was before he took the sin onto himself? It seems kind of self-evident that after taking on our sin, He couldn't have still been sinless.

Don't anyone take this the wrong way. I don't question the deity of Christ in anyway. It's just that that particular statement always puzzled me in the same way. It sounds confused, lost and desperate.

I believe that Christ denigrated and reduced Himself not once but twice. Once when he took on fleshy form as a man and again 33 years later when he allowed the sin of others to be dumped onto him at the cross.