Are Demons Fallen Angels?

[Miss Elly]

These nephilim are a product of human and fallen angels

But, how could these hybrids be when angels are sexless?

Remember, the Bible says that sex is only for marriage, and it also says that angels do not marry, so there would be no reason for God to create angels with sexual organs if they do not marry.

And just for sake of argument, let's say God did create the angels with sexual organs in the beginning, where, even once, is there ever mention of female angels? (and the male usage also are simply an anthropomorphisms).

And where is there ever mention of angels procreating to create more angels - or anything else?

I think it's obvious that angel/human procreation is impossible and not Biblically supported.

And from what I have read and been told, these "Nephilim" are the result of the Godly line of Seth (the redeemers line; Genesis 4:26) who intermingled with the godless line of Cain

Also, the Bible says Angels are spirits. (Hebrews 1:14) but that they can take on the "appearance" of men - not become human.

I totally agree with you. Fallen angels do not and cannot have human sperm.

[Openly Curious]

These nephilim are a product of human and fallen angels

But, how could these hybrids be when angels are sexless?

Remember, the Bible says that sex is only for marriage, and it also says that angels do not marry, so there would be no reason for God to create angels with sexual organs if they do not marry.

And just for sake of argument, let's say God did create the angels with sexual organs in the beginning, where, even once, is there ever mention of female angels? (and the male usage also are simply an anthropomorphisms).

And where is there ever mention of angels procreating to create more angels - or anything else?

I think it's obvious that angel/human procreation is impossible and not Biblically supported.

And from what I have read and been told, these "Nephilim" are the result of the Godly line of Seth (the redeemers line; Genesis 4:26) who intermingled with the godless line of Cain

Also, the Bible says Angels are spirits. (Hebrews 1:14) but that they can take on the "appearance" of men - not become human.

I totally agree with you. Fallen angels do not and cannot have human sperm.

It is my understanding that there are only male angels an no female angels. Also in my understanding that the male angels do not have the ability to procreate after their kind. So what is the mystery hidden within the angels being able to procreate.

Demon spirits are the angels who left their first estate being the third of the angels that rebelled against God. The demon spirits cannot manifest themselves without a body. A good example of demon possesion where the demons inside of the man were able to manifest themselves as they controlled the demon possed man who was at the tombs. We could not see those spirits showing themselves in the man if the demon spirits did not have control of a body.

It is the case of the third of the angels that rebelled against God who was cast out do not have the ability to procreate as I already established so without a body to dwell in cannot manefest or be seen of others without a body.

The scripture in Genesis 6 tells us that the sons of God (angels) saw the daughters of men and seen they were fair to look at and the angels took however many wives that they wanted. Now the thing is angels cannot procreate but they took them wives but at the same time they can't be seen unless they have a body so it stands to reason that these fallen angels took over and possesed the bodies of the men on earth thus taking control of the bodies of men,

Now we had seen a few minutes ago where the man who was at the tomb full of demon spirits who had total control of the man's body before he was set free but the man was no longer able to manifest his own self as he lost control

As you ponder this thought the angels took over the mens body the females bodies were not possessed as there was no need but the angels of Satan needed to have a man's body that could be used to lie down with the women thus giving birth to giants But for that union to happen the angels would have taken over men's body and through the men's body the angels would have sperm (forgive me if this inappropriate)

blessing

OC

[mizzdy]

These nephilim are a product of human and fallen angels

But, how could these hybrids be when angels are sexless?

Remember, the Bible says that sex is only for marriage, and it also says that angels do not marry, so there would be no reason for God to create angels with sexual organs if they do not marry.

And just for sake of argument, let's say God did create the angels with sexual organs in the beginning, where, even once, is there ever mention of female angels? (and the male usage also are simply an anthropomorphisms).

And where is there ever mention of angels procreating to create more angels - or anything else?

I think it's obvious that angel/human procreation is impossible and not Biblically supported.

And from what I have read and been told, these "Nephilim" are the result of the Godly line of Seth (the redeemers line; Genesis 4:26) who intermingled with the godless line of Cain

Also, the Bible says Angels are spirits. (Hebrews 1:14) but that they can take on the "appearance" of men - not become human.

Wyguy,

First I have a terrible head cold so if I don't make sense.... That godly line of Seth wasn't very godly since it didn't make it into the ark. The term sons of God didn't apply to humans until Yeshuas death and resurrection, I think there is only one instance in the OT where the term sons of God was applied to a human so those in Gen. 6 are indeed fallen angels. The scripture in Matt. that is used to show that there is no marriage in heaven applies after the resurrection not before, though I don't think angels are married to one another at this time. I don't pretend to know how the unions took place if they indeed created or manifested bodies which is probably the way it happened after all the angels ate didn't they? so they had to have some sort of working bodies to do such a thing. Chuck Missler has a good article about why the Seth line is not the correct one . I have tons of scriptural info on this so if I don't get back to you just PM and we can go from there ok?

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/110/

[wyguy]

After reading some of the replies, I want to add that the line of Seth was called godly because they were set apart for a pure spiritual use. Just because they did not stay that way doesn't negate the fact they were a "godly" line.

And again, at no place in Scipture is there any indication that angels, be it before or after the resurrection, could marry, were given in marriage, or had the ability to engage in sexual relations with each other. Again, it is God who created marriage, and ordained that sex is only for marriage. And as the Bible says clearly, angels do not marry, (and again, no where in the Bible does it ever say they ever did or could) there was no reason whatsoever for God to create angels with sexual organs.

As God is called male, and the Holy Spirit as well, are you led to believe they both have male sexual organs?

The reason they are called "male" in because the Bible uses anthropomorphisms - words used to describe God and angels in human like terms, for easier understanding and to show they are personal.

[other one]

Some of us simply disagree with your view of Genesis Chapter Six.

Seth was the son of Adam, not the son of God.

[kross]

Some people think they are fallen angels, and others think that they are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim (cross between fallen angels and daughters of Adam) that died in the flood.

Personally I think they are the spirits of the Nephilim, but I would never take you where I had to go to understand that.

I, personally, would reject this idea due mostly to the shere numbers of demons that I am certain are in the world. There are always demons around and I do not think there were that many Nephilim. (GOD didn't put up with the whole angel/human thing very long.)

[Fez]

Can someone please supply me with coherent and relevant scripture to the question? I have not seen either yet, just opinions, and scripture is where we should be going!

[AnotherTraveler]

In our day with test tube babies, genetic manipulation, and cloning, the idea that offspring between fallen angels and humans couldn't possibly occur is probably suspect.

We have corn growing with MOTH DNA, which is a blend of plant and insect kingdom genes, and if humans can do this now, what could be done by fallen angels? Is it possible that it did occur? Well, something caused Giants, if not this, what then was the cause?

[kross]

These nephilim are a product of human and fallen angels

But, how could these hybrids be when angels are sexless?

Remember, the Bible says that sex is only for marriage, and it also says that angels do not marry, so there would be no reason for God to create angels with sexual organs if they do not marry.

And just for sake of argument, let's say God did create the angels with sexual organs in the beginning, where, even once, is there ever mention of female angels? (and the male usage also are simply an anthropomorphisms).

And where is there ever mention of angels procreating to create more angels - or anything else?

I think it's obvious that angel/human procreation is impossible and not Biblically supported.

And from what I have read and been told, these "Nephilim" are the result of the Godly line of Seth (the redeemers line; Genesis 4:26) who intermingled with the godless line of Cain

Also, the Bible says Angels are spirits. (Hebrews 1:14) but that they can take on the "appearance" of men - not become human.

Wyguy,

First I have a terrible head cold so if I don't make sense.... That godly line of Seth wasn't very godly since it didn't make it into the ark. The term sons of God didn't apply to humans until Yeshuas death and resurrection, I think there is only one instance in the OT where the term sons of God was applied to a human so those in Gen. 6 are indeed fallen angels. The scripture in Matt. that is used to show that there is no marriage in heaven applies after the resurrection not before, though I don't think angels are married to one another at this time. I don't pretend to know how the unions took place if they indeed created or manifested bodies which is probably the way it happened after all the angels ate didn't they? so they had to have some sort of working bodies to do such a thing. Chuck Missler has a good article about why the Seth line is not the correct one . I have tons of scriptural info on this so if I don't get back to you just PM and we can go from there ok?

http://www.khouse.org/articles/1997/110/

I am not going to do the research at this time (End of GEn 5) but I am reasonably certain that Noah is of the GODly line of Seth.

Genesis 6:4 tells of the Nephilim (Not by name and you can decide that "sons of GOD" means something other than angels, but that would make it difficult to explain why they were giants)

Just a couple notes. Continue on

[kross]

Can someone please supply me with coherent and relevant scripture to the question? I have not seen either yet, just opinions, and scripture is where we should be going!

Other than Gen 6:4 and Jude 1:6, there is little written about the angels who left their proper place. But Jude does say they are Angels.