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[Shiloh62]

I REALLY like that version. It speaks directly to the people of 2011,not 0011. When Jesus was explaining how to pray;his was just one example, not a clad iron must say these words prayer. That is really a refreshing translation.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

WHAAT?? That is not even close to what the Lord prayed!! Three square meals a day?? It says in the Bible not to worry about what you will eat or drink. Some version!! Sounds Hippyish.

Can't even guess what version it comes from.

Do the words "give us this day our daily bread" come to mind? Same concept actually.

[~candice~]

Whats wrong with the prayer as it already is? It was already easy to understand so I don't see the benefit of a paraphrase. I'm so weary of paraphrases. I just don't see the point .

[other one]

Whats wrong with the prayer as it already is? It was already easy to understand so I don't see the benefit of a paraphrase. I'm so weary of paraphrases. I just don't see the point .

You've studied the Bible and you understand it....... so you... wouldn't see the point...

[~candice~]

Whats wrong with the prayer as it already is? It was already easy to understand so I don't see the benefit of a paraphrase. I'm so weary of paraphrases. I just don't see the point .

Whats wrong with what was stated though. There seems to be this "awww heck no"...but there is no real explaination of what is the issue. Whats the problem with what was said. I specifically see one thing, that seems to be downplayed but overall, don't see what others are seeing. So I am asking.

There is nothing wrong with it, so long as it is acknowledged as a paraphrase and not a translation. It's not the Word. It's just someone else's prayer. If people get benefit out of it, ok, but I've always shyed away from other people's prayers. Dunno why. I guess I feel liberty to approach the throne with my own words so I feel no benefit from reading other people's, apart from the bible that is. That's how it works for me anyway.

[Joshua-777]

Ok someone mentioned a bible version and the way the Lords prayer is in it.

Our Father in heaven,

Reveal who you are.

Set the world right;

Do what's best— as above, so below.

Keep us alive with three square meals.

Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.

Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.

You're in charge!

You can do anything you want!

You're ablaze in beauty!

Yes. Yes. Yes.

What do you think of this translation? I will post which version it is later on in this thread, along with what I think of this.

[~candice~]

Whats wrong with the prayer as it already is? It was already easy to understand so I don't see the benefit of a paraphrase. I'm so weary of paraphrases. I just don't see the point .

You've studied the Bible and you understand it....... so you... wouldn't see the point...

Well, I don't mind simple translations for new christians, but I'd rather translation than paraphrase. There are some very easy reading translations out there. I don't like grey areas... I'd rather give them a bible and a book on prayer / bible study on prayer, and pray with them... than change the Word into that.

[other one]

Whats wrong with the prayer as it already is? It was already easy to understand so I don't see the benefit of a paraphrase. I'm so weary of paraphrases. I just don't see the point .

You've studied the Bible and you understand it....... so you... wouldn't see the point...

Well, I don't mind simple translations for new christians, but I'd rather translation than paraphrase. There are some very easy reading translations out there. I don't like grey areas... I'd rather give them a bible and a book on prayer / bible study on prayer, and pray with them... than change the Word into that.

That's what "you" would like to do.... I don't think it a particular good idea to keep paraphrase Bibles the only thing you read, but the first time or two through, they are not any more distructive than is the NIV or other translations that use the Alexandrian manuscripts as the major focus for the translation.

Take this version that is posted and with each line tell us what is so different about the overal idea of what each is saying. A paraphrase is just putting the thoughts in a differrent way. NIV on the other hand changes words and is supposed to still be the word of God.

i perosnally have learned not to really trust any of them for doctrine or technical issues, but a first time reader will get the gist of the Gospel, and, that's important for a start.

In most cases those who would read these would not read a KJV and really understand it enough to keep interested and finish reading it all...... and that's not good either.

[~candice~]

Don't get me started on the NIV I might not stop .

But what's wrong with a very easy to read translation, like 'Bible in Basic English'? Why change what it says when all it needs is a translation into modern English?

Hubby started reading the Message and couldn't get into it. I gave him a NKJV pew bible and he devoured it. He noticed the difference straight away.

[nebula]

While I did have an issue at first, I started to say the Prayer, as I know it and compared. Really, its not as bad as its being made out. But I will ask what issues do you have with it when compared to how you know it.

"Our Father in heaven,

Reveal who you are."

While the significance of "name" is lost to our culture, this way of expressing "Hallowed [Holy] by Your Name" misses the boat entirely. While there is nothing wrong with asking the Father to reveal Himself, this is changing the prayer. It lacks the sense of honoring Him.

"Set the world right;"

Do what's best— as above, so below."

If one believes the only point to the Kingdom of God coming is to set the world right, one does not understand what the Kingdom of God is about. While the world will be made right in His Kingdom, there is so much more depth to it than this.

"Do what's best— as above, so below."

We need to ask God to do what's best? Does anyone else think this is whacked?

But seriously, this expression lacks the component of surrender acknowledged by the one praying that "Your will be done" has.

"Keep us alive with three square meals."

This is so wrong, I don't know where to begin.

Anyway, you get the idea, I hope.