Is The Virgin Mary Sinless?

[OneLight]

Chesterton -

Why does God need a sinless earthly mother to remain sinless when He became man?

Hey Neb,

The rational is that God in the flesh would need a pure (sinless) vessel to usher Him into the world.

The idea is that an impure vessel would be unworthy and incapable of bringing perfect purity into the world, because otherwise Christ would be born of a sinful vessel and then sort of by/in sin.

Got a Scripture for that?

Do people really believe the sin nature to be greater than God, that He would be overcome with a sin nature by a sinful vessel?

No, I don't, but others do. God can do what He wills with whom He chooses. When God chose Mary, He prepared her for the task through His Spirit.

[goldust59]

Chesterton -

Why does God need a sinless earthly mother to remain sinless when He became man?

Hey Neb,

The rational is that God in the flesh would need a pure (sinless) vessel to usher Him into the world.

The idea is that an impure vessel would be unworthy and incapable of bringing perfect purity into the world, because otherwise Christ would be born of a sinful vessel and then sort of by/in sin.

Got a Scripture for that?

Do people really believe the sin nature to be greater than God, that He would be overcome with a sin nature by a sinful vessel?

I don't understand how anyone could think that. The Holy Spirit comes and indwells us when we are born again even though we still have sin in our lives to overcome. Our spirit may be made new but there is still the soul (mind, will, emotions) that has to be renewed.

Mary was called "highly favored" so apparently she was walking in faith toward God just as many OT saints did. God counted that to them for righteousness even though they had the sin nature.

[He giveth more grace]

I will start a new thread about Jewishness being of the woman.

on subject of Jewishness, please on topic there.

[OldEnglishSheepdog]

Chesterton -

Why does God need a sinless earthly mother to remain sinless when He became man?

Hey Neb,

The rational is that God in the flesh would need a pure (sinless) vessel to usher Him into the world.

The idea is that an impure vessel would be unworthy and incapable of bringing perfect purity into the world, because otherwise Christ would be born of a sinful vessel and then sort of by/in sin.

Got a Scripture for that?

Nope. It's not in scripture.

Do people really believe the sin nature to be greater than God, that He would be overcome with a sin nature by a sinful vessel?

It's a rational that was designed to explain what was already accepted, retroactively.

The cult of mother goddess worship was superceded by the RCC, and the names of the various mother goddess deities were simply replaced with 'Mary' and their worship continued similar to how it had during overt paganism.

It's something that's believed, and then doctrines such as these were developed around the belief as apologetics and rationals were devised and stuck to the doctrine.

Now, that's most certainly not what anyone who accepts the doctrine would agree with, but I think it's very clearly the case.

[nebula]

Agreed!

[taylor30]

Mary was a sinner too. She even admitted it in her song. She called God " her savior " Why do we try to elevate people. ALL ARE SINNERS. If Mary wasn't a sinner, then Christ didn't die for all. Also, how could she have been sinless when every person on the planet was in sin. By what standard or method could she have been sinless? It is not possible. Catholics put her on quite a pedestal because she was the mother of Jesus, but under all the glamour and fame, she was just a simple sinful fallible human, like everyone else.

[Floatingaxe]

I recently stumbled on to this question and people have different opinions on this subject.

Was the Virgin Mary sinless or not?

Some of the answers I have heard range from a Catholic view to what is in the Bible.

Any thoughts here?

No, Mary wasn't sinless. Only Jesus is sinless and the Bible supports and teaches that. Anyone who believes that Mary was sinless or divine is deceived. Mary herself knew she needed a Saviour!

[Littlelambseativy]

Mary knew that she was a sinner when she said that she needed a Saviour.

[B3L13v3R]

Mary is not "sinless" as the RCC believes.

These Scriptures have already been mentioned with Mary rejoicing in God her Saviour, emphasis mine:

Luke 1:46-49

And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

-Mary is not a "perpetual virgin" as the RCC believe, Jesus Christ had "half brothers and half sisters," having the same mother "Mary."

Mat 13:55-56 Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

-Mary offered the atoning sin sacrifice of "two turtledoves."

Luke 2:19-24

But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart. And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them. And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;) And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

She was obedient here, fulfilling the law required by her in Leviticus 12.

-Mary, does not hear our vain repetitious prayers, (Hail Mary) nor does any "saint." Our prayers are ONLY heard through One Mediator, the SINLESS Lord Jesus Christ:

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

1 Timothy 2:3-6

For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

-Thank God however, she was favored and brought forth the Saviour of the world, Jesus Christ!

Luke 1:30-33

And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

[mlinsk777]

It's funny how people believe God needed a sinless mother in order to be sinless.

But why would He come into the world through a dirty vessel?

I think it is funny that many people think the average Obstetrician is more powerful than God. I mean any decent fertility specialist could implant an embryo in a virgin's womb so why is it difficult to believe that Mary was a virgin?