Gap in the last 70th week of the 70 weeks from the first 69?

[Defending the Name]

So I was just wondering how do those who believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture get a long period, will over 1000 years period between the end of the 69th week of Daniel 9:24-27 and the beginning of the 70th week?

Remember messiah was cut off in the midst of the 70th week. There fore the remainder of the week is symbolised as the new covenant age.

This explains why the great tribulation encompasses the time, time and half a time which is the 3.5 symbolic days that are the new covenant age.

Also Revelation of John mentions the following time frame.

Revelation 11:11

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

These 3.5 days is the remainder of the 70th week.

Notice they that saw the are the departed TARES who like the rich man was consumed with fear seeing Lazarus in Abraham' Bosom.

The 3.5 days encompasses the great harvest of God for the redeemed and the great tribulation or testing for those still living in their human bodies.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Defending the Name

[iamlamad]

I believe the first half of the Last 7 which was 1260 days; began at the baptism of the Anointed One on October 25th AD 29 and ended at the resurrection of Jesus on April 5th AD 33 when Jesus not the anti-christ put an end to all meaningful sacrifices as per Daniel 9:27a.  And so there will not be a 7 year Great Tribulation in the future.  And so the Great 1260-day Tribulation will complete the last half of the last 7 on the Last day of the 1260-day Tribulation at the 2nd coming of Jesus. {Post Trib}

You can be wrong if you choose to be wrong. It is simply impossible to cut an apple in half, throw away (or eat) one half, and save the other half for 2000 years, then cut it in half again and still have one half left. The TRUTH is, the entire 70th week is still future, and when it comes, the abomination will cut it in half, 1260 days in the first half, and 1260 days in the last half.

 

LAMAD

[iamlamad]

 

So I was just wondering how do those who believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture get a long period, will over 1000 years period between the end of the 69th week of Daniel 9:24-27 and the beginning of the 70th week?

Remember messiah was cut off in the midst of the 70th week. There fore the remainder of the week is symbolised as the new covenant age.

This explains why the great tribulation encompasses the time, time and half a time which is the 3.5 symbolic days that are the new covenant age.

Also Revelation of John mentions the following time frame.

Revelation 11:11

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

These 3.5 days is the remainder of the 70th week.

Notice they that saw the are the departed TARES who like the rich man was consumed with fear seeing Lazarus in Abraham' Bosom.

The 3.5 days encompasses the great harvest of God for the redeemed and the great tribulation or testing for those still living in their human bodies.

 

You also can be wrong if you choose to be wrong. The Messiah was not at all or in any way a part of the 70th week of Daniel, which week is still ahead of us, being future. Have you ever tried the impossible: cutting an apple in half, throwing away one half, then cutting the half that is left into half again, and STILL END UP WITH ONE HALF? (You would end up with quarters not halves.) The ENTIRE 70th week is future, and will be divided in half by the abomination and stopping of the sacrifices.

 

WRONG AGAIN! The 3 1/2 days they lay dead are real 24 hour days. When you try to spiritualize something that makes good sense in its literal sense, you will end up with nonsense. The two witnesses (two men) will be killed and will lay dead for three days, without a doubt visible to the entire world with the internet.

 

The abomination will take place on earth, and the 7th trumpet will sound in heaven to mark that event on earth. So the exact midpoint of the 70th week will be marked by the 7th trumpet. Therefore the first 6 trumpets will sound in the first half of the week, and the vials will be poured out in the last half of the week.

 

LAMAD

[iamlamad]

 

WHAT ARE THE 3 PASSAGES IN GOD'S WORD WHICH SHOW THAT THE GREAT TRIBULATION AND THE REIGN OF 666 WILL LAST EXACTLY 1260 DAYS OR 42 {30-DAY} MONTHS??

 

**{#1}** Daniel 12:1b,2,7b:  “There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then.  But at that time {The Last Day} your people--*EVERYONE* whose name is found written in the book {Both OT & NT Saints}—will be delivered.  Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt…It will be for a time. times and half a time {Which is also 1260 days as per Rev 12:6,14, or 42  {30-day} months as per Rev 13:5} *ALL* these things will be *COMPLETED.  

 

**{#2}** Rev 13:5,7: The beast will be given a mouth to utter blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {Not 7 years}…He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. COMPARE WITH:

 

**{#3}**Dan 7:25: “He will speak against the Most High and oppress His saints.  The saints will be handed over to him for time {12 months}, times {24 months} and 1/2 a time {6 months}. {Not 7 years}

 

Events in Revelation that will occur during the 1260-day Tribulation are discussed in Rev 6:1 to 18:24, Events that will occur on the Last Day are recorded in Rev 6:12-17; Rev 11:15-19; Rev 14:14-20; Rev 16:17-21; Rev 19:1-21 & Rev 20:9b-15. There is absolutely no reference to any other resurrection before or during the Tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 through 19. The Olivet discourse by Jesus about the End-Times are recorded in Matt 24 & 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21.  Events that will occur during the 1260-day Tribulation are recorded in Matt 24:9-28; Mark 13:5-23 and Luke 21:8-24. Events which will occur on the Last Day of the Tribulation including the 2nd Coming of Jesus are recorded in Matt 24:29-31; Matt 25:31-46; Mark 13:24-27, Luke 21:25-28 and 2 Peter 3:10-13. There is absolutely no mention of a rapture or resurrection before or during the Great Tribulation in the Olivet Discourse passages!! The glorious APPEARING of Jesus and the resurrection of His saints on the Last day of the Tribulation are mentioned in God's Word about 50 other times such as Titus 2:13: “WE wait for the blessed hope—the glorious APPEARING of our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,”

 

For example: If the coming of 666 and the 1260-day Great Tribulation starts on April 5^th, 2015 then the 2^nd coming of Jesus would occur exactly 1260 days later on Sepember 16th, 2018. When the 1260-day Great Tribulation begins God's saints will then know the exact day of the 2^nd coming on the Last Day as per: Rev 3:3: Jesus says, “But {*IF*} you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.” I Thess 5:4: Paul said “But YOU BROTHERS {*CHURCH SAINTS*}, are not in darkness so that {*THIS DAY*} should surprise you like a thief.”

 

“70 7'S OR 490 YEARS ARE DECREED TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY, TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS AND TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS!!”

 

Dan 9:24-27: “70 7’s {490 years} are decreed for your people TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY, TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS and TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNSS.. "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree {By Cyrus-Isa 44:28 above} to rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One comes {Oct 23, AD 29?} there will be 7 plus 62 7's {Which is 69 7's or 483 years}. "After the 7 plus 62 7's {actually 1260 days after on April 3-5 AD 33} the Anointed One will be cut off but not for Himself..... He {The Anointed One} will confirm a COVENANT with many for one 'seven'. In the middle of the 'seven' {After 1260 days} He {The Anointed One; not 666} will put an END TO SACRIFICES {ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS}{And then after a long pause} the abomination of Desolation {666} will come {for the 1260 day Great Tribulation} until the decreed end is poured out on him.” on the Last day of the last 7 {See Rev 19:20} And so the first half of the last 7 was already COMPLETED when Jesus put and END to all sacrifices for sin 1260 days after His Anointing which occurred after 69 7's.

 

When the Anointed One came 69 7's or 483 years were 100% completed [see Dan 9:25 above} leaving just one 7 in the future; which will be totally used by those who wrongly believe in a future 7-year Tribulation; which means that the ATONEMENT FOR WICKEDNESS by Jesus about 3 1/2 years after His Anointing can not be included in the 70 7's Prophecy. However, God's Word clearly states that 70 7's are decreed ...TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS which occurred about 3 1/2 years after the end of the 69 7's and therefore the first half of the last 7 has already been completed since there are only 3 1/2 times left in the 70 7's. And so the Great Tribulation and the rule of 666 will last exactly 1260 days or 42 months or 3 1/2 times which agrees which God's Divine time periods found in Dan 12:1,2,7b; Dan 7:25 & Rev 13:5.

 

Now many saints believe the reign of 666 and the Great Tribulation are extremely close. I Peter 1:13: “Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*!”

 

Mark 13:20: Jesus says, “If the Lord had not cut short those {Tribulation} days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom He has chosen, He has shortened them.”The first 69 7's were 365-day years {7 years = 2557 days} but the Last 7 has been shortened to 360-day years and two 1260-day periods or 2520 days. And so God has shortened the last 7 of the 70 7's from 2557 days to two 1260-day periods or 2520 days. And God has shortened the Great Tribulation from 3 1/2 years or 1278 days to 3 1/2 times or 1260 days.

 

WRONG! It is the last half of the 70th week that will be 1260 days, 42 months and 3.5 years. Did you forget that God said He will SHORTEN those days of Great tribulation?

 

The truth is, there will be DAYS of great tribulation. Jesus did not put a TITLE on any period of time as we have done today. Look closely in Matthew 24 and you will see "THOSE DAYS" in reference to the days of GT. What did God mean by "shorten?" The Beast will be given 42 months of authority, but God will STOP the murder of the saints by pouring out the vials of His wrath. the beast will still have authority, but will be rendered HELPLESS to continue the slaughter.

 

LAMAD

[prophetic774]

THE GREAT COMMISSION:

 

Matthew 28:18-20: Jesus says, “All authority in heaven and on *EARTH has been given to Me {Not some RC Pope}. Therefore go and make disciples of *ALL NATIONS*...teaching them to **OBEY EVERYTHING** I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very *END OF THE AGE*!”

 

THE HARVEST IS THE END OF THE AGE!

 

Matthew 13:39-43: Jesus says, “The Harvest is the *END OF THE AGE and the harvesters are *ANGELS*. As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the *END OF THE AGE*. The Son of Man will send out His *ANGELS*, and they will weed out of His kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. *THEN the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father!”

 

I Corinthians 15:22-24: “For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits, then when He comes, those who belong to Him. Then the **END** will come, when He hands over the Kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.” And so when Jesus comes again at the *END OF THE AGE* He will hand over the Kingdom to God the Father!

Mark 13:10 Jesus says, “The *AGE TO COME* is Eternal Life!”

 

I Timothy 6:19: In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the *COMING AGE*, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life!”

 

THE DISCIPLES ASKED JESUS, “WHAT WILL BE THE SIGN OF YOUR COMING AND THE END OF THE AGE??”

 

Is it a pre-trib rapture; or the persecution and testing of God's saints and a great falling away at the beginning of the Great Tribulation??

 

  Matthew 24:3,9-13:  The disciples asked Jesus, “What will be the sign of your Coming and the *END OF THE AGE*?? Jesus answered….. {During the 1260-dayGreat Tribulation} “Then *YOU* will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and *YOU will be hated by all nations because of Me.  At that time many will turn away from the Faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of *MOST* will grow cold,{THE GREAT APOSTASY} but he {The Called, Chosen & Faithful-Rev 17:14b} who stands firm to the *END will be saved. This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to *ALL NATIONS*, and then the *END will come!”

 

And then we find just before the beginning of the 1260-day Great tribulation that there will be saints saved by the blood of Jesus from *EVERY Tribe, Language and Nation:

Revelation 5:9: “You {Jesus} are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from *EVERY Tribe, Language, People and Nation!”

Just after the coming of the 4 Horsemen in Revelation 6:1-8 and just after the start of the 1260-day Great tribulation; we see this scene in Heaven:

 

Rev 6:9-11: When He {Jesus) opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain {MARTYRS} because of the Word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until You judge the inhabitanrts of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a *WHITE ROBE*, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed {Martyrs just like Jesus} as they had been was completed!

 

Rev 8:9, 13,14: After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count from **EVERY** nation, tribe and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing WHITE ROBES......Then one of the {24- See Rev 4:4,10} elders asked me, “These in WHITE ROBES—who are they and where do they come from?”...And he said, “These are they who come out of the Great Tribulatoion {Tribulation MARTYRS}; they have washed their ROBES and made them WHITE in the blood of the Lamb. At present the God's Word has only been translated into about 2,000 of the 6,000 languages in the world and faith comes by hearing and reading the Word of God! And so this prophecy in Matthew 24:13 above which must take place *BEFORE* the Harvest and 2nd Coming of Jesus will only be fulfilled *DURING the Great Tribulation!

 

The Heavenly rewards for the faithful and courageous *MARTYRS* is one of the most important central themes in the book of Revelation. For they will reign with Jesus in Heaven and according to Revelation 7:14-17: “They are before the Throne of God and God will spread His tent over them before the Second Coming of Jesus. They will receive WHITE ROBES washed in the blood of the Lamb. Never again will they hunger or thirst and God Himself will wipe every tear from their eyes. Jesus will be their Shepherd and will lead them to springs of Living Water.”

 

 

 

 

 

[Defending the Name]

So I was just wondering how do those who believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture get a long period, will over 1000 years period between the end of the 69th week of Daniel 9:24-27 and the beginning of the 70th week?

Remember messiah was cut off in the midst of the 70th week. There fore the remainder of the week is symbolised as the new covenant age.

This explains why the great tribulation encompasses the time, time and half a time which is the 3.5 symbolic days that are the new covenant age.

Also Revelation of John mentions the following time frame.

Revelation 11:11

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

These 3.5 days is the remainder of the 70th week.

Notice they that saw the are the departed TARES who like the rich man was consumed with fear seeing Lazarus in Abraham' Bosom.

The 3.5 days encompasses the great harvest of God for the redeemed and the great tribulation or testing for those still living in their human bodies.

You also can be wrong if you choose to be wrong. The Messiah was not at all or in any way a part of the 70th week of Daniel, which week is still ahead of us, being future. Have you ever tried the impossible: cutting an apple in half, throwing away one half, then cutting the half that is left into half again, and STILL END UP WITH ONE HALF? (You would end up with quarters not halves.) The ENTIRE 70th week is future, and will be divided in half by the abomination and stopping of the sacrifices.

 

WRONG AGAIN! The 3 1/2 days they lay dead are real 24 hour days. When you try to spiritualize something that makes good sense in its literal sense, you will end up with nonsense. The two witnesses (two men) will be killed and will lay dead for three days, without a doubt visible to the entire world with the internet.

 

The abomination will take place on earth, and the 7th trumpet will sound in heaven to mark that event on earth. So the exact midpoint of the 70th week will be marked by the 7th trumpet. Therefore the first 6 trumpets will sound in the first half of the week, and the vials will be poured out in the last half of the week.

 

LAMAD

Did they have watches back then or measure time in 24 hours days or years in 365 days?

Just food for thought.

[mevosper]

 

 

 

Per Dan.11:31, Matt.24:15, Mark 13:14, 2 Thess.2:4, and Rev.13:11-16, that abomination of Daniel is about an idol involving a 'standing' temple in Jerusalem, not one that burned down in battle with the Roman army in 70 A.D. The desolation reference is a reference to the temple being desolated by false worship of an idol abomination.

 

God already gave us the blueprint for this back in history with Antiochus IV in 165-170 B.C. He took Jerusalem, went inside the temple and sacrificed swine upon the altar desolating it, spread its broth around the temple, and then set up an idol abomination to Zeus, and commanded all to worship it.

 

 

So are you saying that the Roman troops

1. bringing their eagle emblazoned flags (standards) into the Holy of Holies, and
2. sacrificing to them

does not constitute as an "abomination that causes desolation"? 

 

Eagles were considered unclean birds in the OT. So just the act of bringing into the temple a flag with an eagle on it was an abomination. 

 

 

Not the one written in the Book of Daniel, which is linked in Matt.24; Mark 13; 2 Thess.2; and Rev.13.

 

 

How many "abomination that causes desolation" does the bible teach?

[Salty]

That's a good point which brings up the natural question...who is it, do you think, that will proclaim the day of vengeance of our God?  Will it be Jesus as he returns, is it the two witnesses, or the church, or maybe all?  Just curious as to thoughts on it.

 

 

I'd like some thoughts as well on "to make atonement for iniquity" as being part of what the 70 weeks will accomplish.  I see this as being fulfilled in Christ's death, which, happened after the 62 weeks, if I understand it right.  I'm trying to reconcile this with a future seven year covenant.  Could it be that since the coming of the Messiah took place in the 62 weeks that that in itself is sufficient to cover what he would accomplish, and that His death doesn't necessarily have to fall within the 70 weeks?  Thoughts?

 

 

See Luke 21. The "day of vengeance" of Isa.61:2 is for Christ's second coming on the Day of The Lord to end this present world.

 

Because the 70 weeks prophecy is especially given about Jerusalem and her people, that must be applied to the situation in Jerusalem. There's a coming false worship there for the end prior to our Lord Jesus' return, which is also what that 70 weeks prophecy is about. So 'iniquity' in Jerusalem will not be atoned for until Jesus' return.

[Salty]

 

 

 

 

Per Dan.11:31, Matt.24:15, Mark 13:14, 2 Thess.2:4, and Rev.13:11-16, that abomination of Daniel is about an idol involving a 'standing' temple in Jerusalem, not one that burned down in battle with the Roman army in 70 A.D. The desolation reference is a reference to the temple being desolated by false worship of an idol abomination.

 

God already gave us the blueprint for this back in history with Antiochus IV in 165-170 B.C. He took Jerusalem, went inside the temple and sacrificed swine upon the altar desolating it, spread its broth around the temple, and then set up an idol abomination to Zeus, and commanded all to worship it.

 

 

So are you saying that the Roman troops

1. bringing their eagle emblazoned flags (standards) into the Holy of Holies, and
2. sacrificing to them

does not constitute as an "abomination that causes desolation"? 

 

Eagles were considered unclean birds in the OT. So just the act of bringing into the temple a flag with an eagle on it was an abomination. 

 

 

Not the one written in the Book of Daniel, which is linked in Matt.24; Mark 13; 2 Thess.2; and Rev.13.

 

 

How many "abomination that causes desolation" does the bible teach?

 

 

Only one. The "abomination of desolation" event that Jesus referred to from the Book of Daniel for the end of this world in His Olivet Discourse of Matt.24, Mark 13.

 

But if you're asking if there's been other abomination idols and false worship in general back in OT history by God's people, the answer is yes, but still NOT like the "abomination of desolation" event from Daniel involving a temple in Jerusalem. Even Ezekiel 8 is still future prophetic.

[Last Daze]

 

That's a good point which brings up the natural question...who is it, do you think, that will proclaim the day of vengeance of our God?  Will it be Jesus as he returns, is it the two witnesses, or the church, or maybe all?  Just curious as to thoughts on it.

 

 

I'd like some thoughts as well on "to make atonement for iniquity" as being part of what the 70 weeks will accomplish.  I see this as being fulfilled in Christ's death, which, happened after the 62 weeks, if I understand it right.  I'm trying to reconcile this with a future seven year covenant.  Could it be that since the coming of the Messiah took place in the 62 weeks that that in itself is sufficient to cover what he would accomplish, and that His death doesn't necessarily have to fall within the 70 weeks?  Thoughts?

 

 

See Luke 21. The "day of vengeance" of Isa.61:2 is for Christ's second coming on the Day of The Lord to end this present world.

 

Because the 70 weeks prophecy is especially given about Jerusalem and her people, that must be applied to the situation in Jerusalem. There's a coming false worship there for the end prior to our Lord Jesus' return, which is also what that 70 weeks prophecy is about. So 'iniquity' in Jerusalem will not be atoned for until Jesus' return.

 

So you're saying that "to make atonement for iniquity", in the context of the 70 weeks prophecy, applies to the Jews and Jerusalem and is not the same as Christ's atonement on the cross.  That makes sense to me.