Scripture that eludes me

[Pamelasv]

lol.  James 3:18 "And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. nasb.  I tried to clarify by looking up it in my niv and it says "Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness." 

 

Could somebody clarify the meaning of this.  Were does this righteousness bloom from, you or the other person?

[OneLight]

From Christ.

[coheir]

James 3:17

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

[kwikphilly]

Blessings pamelasv

    

 

King James Bible
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:                  Romans 3:22

                                                                                                                          With love-in Christ,Kwik

[Alejandro84]

As everyone has said it comes from Christ. Hey is ones peace and those who are in Him make peace.

[Pamelasv]

I am going to reword to make clearer what I am asking. 

 

Thanks for your reply's. 

 

I guess I mean, like get detailed, you know?  What does this harvest of righteouness look like?  A harvest sounds like a pretty large amount.  Just becuase you sowed in peace, what righteousness is showing exactley?  I can see how if you didnt sow in peace, bad fruit is obvious both from you and an angry other person.  As most people react in kind. (not us christians ,tho.

 

So righteousness is shown in many forms--faithfulness, kindness, fruits of the spirit are all righteousness.  So because you sowed in peace, how does that bring forth rightousness,  verses just simply not angry people.  

 

Now of course, the niv version adds 'harvest'. I've heard and do notice that the niv sometimes comes up with things that are questionable. 

 

Scenerio's?  Anybody have a life lesson testimony doing something the wrong way, then doing it this way?  What were the results? 

 

Well I hope I am making sense, because maybe I am off the point here, not sure, but that is the way I am seeing it. 

 

Then again, is this something that happens over time, being a peacemaker in many situations.  So what is this righteousness exactley that is reaped?  Does it 'show' ( even tho from God) thru you or everyone involved?    Yes, everyone involved as I look at the paragraph before.  "where jelousy and selfish ambitions exist, there is disorder and every evil thing". The disorder would mean it affects everyone.   I think I am starting to think too much and time to quit.  Almost there as I am hashing it out while typing. lol.  Really tho, when you think about it and you are around peacemakers who show fruit, it is contagious.  Tendency to react in kind, as I said earlier.  There is scripture somewhere to support that.

Edited November 20, 2014 by Pamelasv

[Cog]

Peaceful resolve is righteous fruit in the eyes of God. Think: rock, paper, scissors. The verse does not reference the righteousness of the peacekeeper. Who benefits from the peaceful resolution is whomever the resolution affects.

[Qnts2]

The idea of righteousness runs throughout the OT.

 

In Genesis 15:6. Abraham believed what the Lord had said and promised, and God counted Abraham faith as/for righteousness. In otherwords, Abraham did what was right in the eyes of God and God credited Abraham for his righteous actions.

 

Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the Lord; and He counted it to him for righteousness

 

Deut 6:25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.

 

In Deut 6:25, God gave the Mosaic law/commands to the children of Israel, and if they obeyed those commands, they were righteous. There obedience resulted in them building up 'credit' in righteousness points. 

 

So, basically, in the OT, righteousness is the 'credit' received when a person was obedient to God. In the Mosaic covenant, if the people were obedient, they counted by God as  righteous, and God would reward them. But if they were wicked, God would send warnings and if they did not repent, God would punish them. But, certain promises came from God because of Abrahams righteousness of fatih.

 

2 Sam 22:21 The Lord rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.

 

Deut 9:4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the Lord thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the Lord hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord doth drive them out from before thee.   

5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

 

Well, righteousness is somewhat the same in the New Covenant. Righteousness is still having faith and being obedient.

 

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.  

 

The problem presented in the OT, and explained further in the NT, is that our own works done to accrue righteousness is our righteousness and our good works do not measure up to God and can not earn salvation. We are not perfect, but Jesus is. Only the righteousness of Jesus is sufficient to gain salvation.

 

Being a peacemaker is one of the jobs/gifts of being a born again Christian. In otherwords, it is something the God in us works out of us. Peacemaking is a righteous act, and if Jesus in us is working out peace thru us, we know that it is truly a righteous, (God pleasing obedient act). We might receive praise from men, but in the Kingdom, that ultimately is not worth much. We might receive favor from God, but ultimately, we are rewarded in heaven with a crown of righteousness.

[FreeinChrist]

As Christians are made righteous in Christ, II Corinthians 5:21; and we have peace thru Christ, Romans 5:1; IMO we as believers still have the tendency to be disobedient to God the Father, and as such we are often discipline, or chastise, Hebrews 12:5-11 by God.  We should take honor (such honor I surely do not want) in the fact that God treats us like His children and not as bastards as the KJV states in Hebrews 12:8.  But what does this chastening bring forth, the following:

Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Hebrews 12:11

 

So what is the harvest, it is enduring which patience under the chastening hand of our God who gives us a spiritual spanking when we get out of line or we are just plain disobedient to HIs command, and afterwards we get right and do as He commands us.  So that after this time of disobedience we will have the harvest of a great relationship with the Father thru Jesus Christ.

 

 

We also see that James speaks of the law of liberty, James 1:25; 2:12; Paul even speaks of this:

13)  For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not your liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14)  For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

15)  But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Galatians 5:13-15

So from Paul's writing we see that with this peace from the fruit of righteousness comes unity, but without as the underline verse says in so many words division, consuming one another.  I would gander over to Psalms 133, to see what this unity brings in blessing is check out the last sentence of Psalms 133:3

[Openly Curious]

lol.  James 3:18 "And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. nasb.  I tried to clarify by looking up it in my niv and it says "Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness." 

 

Could somebody clarify the meaning of this.  Were does this righteousness bloom from, you or the other person?

The "fruit" of righteousness is "peace" which we have in and through Christ.

And the "seed" is "peace" which one sows in the hearts of others by having a "meek and quiet spirit". Believers shouldn't be going around starting fights which can arise from many many things such as jealousy, envy, strife, backbiting, hatred which are all the "fruits or deeds" of unrighteousness

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We will reap what we sow (Galatian 5 & 6) If we live and walk peaceable with a meek and quiet spirit among those in this world. Then the seed of peace will be planted in others (1 Corinthians 13). Jesus said in the beatitudes (Matthew 5) "blessed are the peacemakers for they shall inherit the earth". If we sow peace a fruit of the Spirit then we will "reap" the fruit of the Spirit in abundance in our lives. In other words we will have more of the peaceable fruits of righteousness in our personal life because of it. The fruit of the Spirit of God will increase at harvest time. Your personal peace will grow in abundance and bring forth plentiful because you sowed your seed the right way. Instead of sowing it the wrong way by doing deeds of unrighteousness by the fruit of our lips causing fights and what not which are all unpleasing to God and the fruit of unrighteous when it is sown will only produce and increase more unrighteousness (wrongdoing) in our personal lives. As we truly do reap what we sow if we sow peace we will reap an abundant harvest of peace in our own lives.

If we walk and sow in the Spirit (doing what is right which is righteousness) then we will reap in the Spirit and will ultimately inherit eternal life. If we walk and sow in the flesh (with wrongdoing being unrighteousness) then we will ultimately reap eternal damnation (Romans 6). We are not to take the members of our body and use them as instruments of unrighteous but we are to use the members of our body for righteousness. But either way we personally choose to sow in this life each of us do reap a harvest now in this life and also in the next life after death. John the Baptist said that we must decrease that Christ will increase. As believers we need to allow the fruit of the Spirti of the living God to increase in abundance in our lives we must let Christ live through us and die out to self and the sinful desires of our flesh which is not the wisdom from above but the fruit unto death. We cannot reap what we do not sow but we do reap that which we do sow. We must know what to sow and how to sow it. God gives us this wisdom in the book of James.

Our tongues are a little member in our body. But with the tongue wars have been started.