A Long Hair, Tattoo Pastor

[FresnoJoe]

The Bible does forbid a brother from marrying his sister in the Old Testament. 

If a brother is married to his sister, would you welcome the family into your church with open arms

and fully accept what they are doing because they are professing Christians? 

Or does this only apply in areas you pick and choose? 

 

 

Pick

 

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:1

 

And Choose

 

By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:35

 

And Walk With Jesus

 

Then said Jesus unto his disciples,

 

If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. Matthew 16:24

 

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And Beloved, Did Jesus Really Wear Pants?

 

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;

 

if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. 2 Timothy 2:24-26

 

And Get Styled By Haircuts?

 

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:

 

the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63

 

Really?

 

~

 

For HIS Name's Sake

 

Nevertheless he saved them for his name's sake,

 

that he might make his mighty power to be known. Psalms 106:8

 

Be Blessed Beloved Of The LORD

 

He restoreth my soul:

 

he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness

 

for his name's sake. Psalms 23:3

 

Love, Your Brother Joe

 

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Talking Jesus

 

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness

for the remission of sins that are past,

through the forbearance of God; Romans 3:23-25

 

Jesus All The Day Long

 

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness:

that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Romans 3:26-27

[Hippie333]

I would not even consider attending a church where the Pastor had long hair and tattoos.  The tattoos may not be a deal breaker, because it is possible he could have gotten them before he became a Christian, but if he was getting tattoos after being saved, no way would I attend that church.  The long hair would be a sign that the man is in rebellion against his head, Jesus Christ, and the Bible tells us in Leviticus not to print marks on our bodies. 

 

All that being said, I would not write hate mail to this man, or go out of my way to attack him or his church.  I can't really understand why anyone would do that.  If you are like me and find his appearance to be against God's Word, find another church, and leave him and his congregation alone. 

 

Being clean shaven is not rounding the corners of your beard.  That is one of the most idiotic things I have heard people present at Worthy Boards over the years to try to defend their own sins, like having a tattoo.  Even if it was what it means, and it clearly is not, it won't get anyone off the hook for their own sins.  This tit for tat nonsense is just that, nonsense.  All it would mean is that if it was wrong to be clean shaven, then we need to preach against it, not defend other sins.  To me, rounding the corners of your beard would be more like a goaty or something like that, but I am not sure that is even what it means.  I am 100 percent positive it isn't being clean shaven. 

Shiloh's description of the reasoning behind those verses was correct. It was about "not" looking like the Pagans of the times when those laws were written.  I have many tattoos I had gotten prior to being saved....does that make the Spirit not use me?  I have hair past my waist....does the Spirit not use me?  I wonder what John the Baptist looked like after hanging in the wilderness his whole ministry....clean shaven, his fur clothing tucked in neatly and his hair in a crew cut? 

 I think instead of just reading a couple of verses and thinking we know what they mean....as why was that written...how did it apply ...and why...and is this my personal preference to make something an issue...or is it scriptural?

 

 

God Bless,

Hip

[RustyAngeL]

The long hair is not an issue.It is their choice and so is the tattoos but what kind of tattoos are you talking about?If I were to approach a Christian or a Pastor and they had tattoos of dark evil things I would wonder why.

They could have gotten these tattoos  before they were saved.  It is not my place to judge or make the call on their lives.  I thank God for anyone who is willing to answer God's call.

[missmuffet]

 

The long hair is not an issue.It is their choice and so is the tattoos but what kind of tattoos are you talking about?If I were to approach a Christian or a Pastor and they had tattoos of dark evil things I would wonder why.

They could have gotten these tattoos  before they were saved.  It is not my place to judge or make the call on their lives.  I thank God for anyone who is willing to answer God's call.

 

Now if someone should get on the pulpit with tattoos of snakes,skulls or evil things I would be concerned.Even if they did have these evil tattoos placed at a previous time when they were not with the Lord. I would at a glance be concerned.If a physician came into my room

and had a tattoo of the grim reaper I would be concerned as well.I suggest that they cover them up.

[Hippie333]

 

 

The long hair is not an issue.It is their choice and so is the tattoos but what kind of tattoos are you talking about?If I were to approach a Christian or a Pastor and they had tattoos of dark evil things I would wonder why.

They could have gotten these tattoos  before they were saved.  It is not my place to judge or make the call on their lives.  I thank God for anyone who is willing to answer God's call.

 

Now if someone should get on the pulpit with tattoos of snakes,skulls or evil things I would be concerned.Even if they did have these evil tattoos place at a previous time when they were with the Lord. I would at a glance be concerned.If a physician came into my room

and had a tattoo of the grim reaper I would be concerned as well.

 

I think we allow too many stereotypes of what types of people get tattoos...I don't know what's concerning about them, I don't make attempts at what imagery means what to what person that they had put on their body.  I honestly, do my best to ignore the outside of a person...in "ANY" stereotype and go from there. I have heard sermons preached from people that look like "thug gangstas" from the hood...to outlaw biker looking types...and watched people saved in those churches....why I myself was asked to step into the pulpit several times and obliged.

 Each time I sat in a church and stereotyped the person bringing the message based on looks....I was PROVEN wrong over and over again for making those assumptions. Eventually, I was beaten over the head enough with my own petty issues that I let them go in this area.

 

 

God Bless,

Hip

[missmuffet]

 When a person takes a position that trust is very important then I think first impressions are important.It could very well be that the person who comes off as clean cut could be the biggest deceiver in the world but in these cases first impressions are important to me.You have your views on this and I have mine.

[Openly Curious]

Shiloh's description of the reasoning behind those verses was correct. It was about "not" looking like the Pagans of the times when those laws were written.(Shiloh's interpretation)

Hi Hippie, I know that this response was to Butero but I wanted to respond to a few things here in which I noticed. First I want you to notice that these are the things that "you have stated personally". Secondly I want it to be know right up front here that I don not have any judgment or condemnation towards those who have long hair (though I do believe it is a shame) or those who have had tattoo's prior to salvation.

But you have said in your words above that you believe that Shiloh's description of the reasoning behind the words in the 1 Corinthian passage of text was correct meaning you agreed with his said interpretation of the passage in question. Then you proceeded to delve further into Shiloh's interpretation of the said passage by saying "It was about "NOT" looking like the "Pagans" of the times when those laws were written."

Do you not understand the postion on hair length you have taken concerning those who have long hair today. You are saying that one should not be looking like the Pagans (heathens or nonbelievers) of the times. You are basically saying whether you realize it or not that having long hair is attributed to the heathens and unbelievers in appearance in said day and times and not to believers or saints.

We are still in NT testament times after the cross when the NT passage in 1 Corinthians was written being after the cross and the teachings are not absolete or out of date.  The scriptures were written for our learning.

 

I have many tattoos I had gotten prior to being saved....does that make the Spirit not use me?

Hippie God can use anyone and does call anyone he see's fit to call into His Beloved. But I can and I will tell you that your ministry in the Lord will be hindered because you have gotten those tattoo's prior to salvation. Because there will be circles and people who will not accept you when they see those tattoo's and your long hair. Some will treat you as a second class saint even though you may be saved to the uttermost and have a guilt free conscious between you and the Lord.

I do not say this as any kind of judgment or a put down but I say it simply because I know it is true. I don't even wish the things I am saying to anger or hurt you in the least. But of course there is nothing that can be done about those tatoo's prior to salvation they are permanent unless one chooses to get them removed. This is just how it is it's not good but it's a fact. There will be those you will not find acceptance among.

 

I have hair past my waist....does the Spirit not use me?

Again Hippie God can use and he calls those he wishes to call. But again I wil tell you the truth in the Lord that your ministry will be hindered as a result of having long hair because there will be some in circles and people who will not accept you or your ministry in the Lord with long hair. I don't say it to hurt anyone or judge them but some think it is a shame for a man to have long hair as a woman usually does and will not follow or listen to the gospel message you bring as a result of the knowledge in the said passage in 1 Corinthians. Which the said passage also speaks about women and me praying and prophesying which is speaking under the divine anointing of God.

One can pray in the Spirit preach the gospel message under the divine anointing of God having long hair and tattoo's but there will be those who will not listen to recieve one word of their messages because of the tings that are taught in 1 Corinthians passage by the apostle Paul.

The pagan "look" of today as well as in Paul's time which is NT times after the cross still turns people away and off to the ministers who have said look as you said you believed was pagan in what Shiloh interpretation was which you agreed with.

 

I wonder what John the Baptist looked like after hanging in the wilderness his whole ministry....clean shaven, his fur clothing tucked in neatly and his hair in a crew cut?

Now I do find that bringing the forrunner of Jesus John the Baptist into the discussion as poor taste in my opinion. I think the passage in 1 Corinthians can be discussed and looked into in a mature fashion as to get answers on such matters that people seem to be really trouble. How in the world can we tell what someone looked liked back in John the Baptist day there weren't any camera's or pictures to go by so why play guessing games like that. 

 

I think instead of just reading a couple of verses and thinking we know what they mean....as why was that written...how did it apply ...and why...and is this my personal preference to make something an issue...or is it scriptural?

I agree here 100% in taking the 1 Corinthians passage as a whole because it goes together as a whole and has been given to us scripturally as a whole. One shouldn't deny that this scripture exists in the NT scriptures and the scripture should not be dismissed or denied and made to be obsolete because one may not be able to get the understanding of the passage. But do people really want understanding or their own way is the bigger picture as I see it. But there is obviously scriptural teaching being given to the Church in the 1 Corinthian passage of scripture it is instruction in fact and gives wisdom most can't wrap their brains around.

[Hippie333]

 

 

 

Shiloh's description of the reasoning behind those verses was correct. It was about "not" looking like the Pagans of the times when those laws were written.

Hi Hippie, I know that this response was to Butero but I wanted to respond to a few things here in which I noticed. First not I want you to notice that these are the things that you have stated personally. Second I want it to be know right up front as well that I have no judgment on those who have long hair or tattoo's prior to salvation.

But you have said here that you believe that Shiloh's description of the reasoning behind the words in the 1 Corinthian passage of text was correct meaning you agreed with his said interpretation of the passage in question. Then you proceed to delve further into Shiloh's interpretation of the passage by saying "It was about "NOT" looking like the "Pagans" of the times when those laws were written."

Do you not understand the postion on hair length you have taken concerning those who have long hair today. You are saying that one should not be looking like the Pagans (heathens or nonbelievers) of the times. You are basically saying whether you realize it or not that having long hair is attributed to the heathens and unbelievers in appearance in said day and not to believers or saints. We are still in NT testament times after the cross and the passage in 1 Corinthians was after the cross and the teachings are not absolete.  The scriptures were written for our learning.

It means that each type of Pagan had a certain look that expressed their belief.... Hairstyle, burnt beard edges...scarring....writing their gods name on their body - it was all to do with showing who they worshiped. It has nothing to do with why people look like they do in most cases today. 

 

 

I have many tattoos I had gotten prior to being saved....does that make the Spirit not use me?

Hippie God can use anyone and call anyone he see's fit. But I can and will tell you that your ministry in the Lord will be hindered because you have gotten those tattoo's prior to salvation. Because there will be circles and people who will not accept you when they see those tattoo's and some will treat you as a second class saint even though you may be saved to the uttermost and have a guilt free conscious between you and the Lord. I do not say this as any kind of judgment or a put down but I say it simply because I know it is true. But there is nothing that can be done about those tatoo's prior to salvation they are permanent unless one chooses to get them removed. This is just how it is it's not good but it's a fact.

Again....showing closed minded people. Is like saying I should dress like a priest to look be treated like one -

 

Which addresses the John the Baptist comment I made - He looked NOTHING like the priests of the time. I don't find it in poor discussion to bring it up - or discuss it. He wore the exact opposite of what was EXPECTED to be seen from a man of God at that time. - The reference proves my point of God will use whoever he uses. Those who don't listen based on looks have the issue....not the speaker...how can one ever conform to look like something pleasing to everyone?

 

Mar 1:6  And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a leather girdle about his loin. And he ate locusts and wild honey.

 

I have hair past my waist....does the Spirit not use me?

Again Hippie God can use and call anyone. But I tell you the truth in the Lord that your ministry will be hindered as a result of having long hair because there will be some in circles and people who will not accept you with long hair. I don't say it to hurt anyone or judge them but some think it is a shame for a man to have long hair as a woman usually does and will not follow or listen to your gospel message as a result as the passage in 1 Corinthians also speaks about praying and prophesying which is speaking under the divine anointing of God. One can pray in the Spirit preach the gospel message under the divine anointing of God having long hair and tattoo's but there will be those who will not listen to one word because of the tings that are taught in 1 Corinthians by apostle Paul. The pagan look of today as well as in Paul's time which is NT times after the cross will still turn people away and off to the ministers who have said look as you said you believed in what Shiloh interpretation was.

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I wonder what John the Baptist looked like after hanging in the wilderness his whole ministry....clean shaven, his fur clothing tucked in neatly and his hair in a crew cut?

Now I do find that bringing the forrunner of Jesus John the Baptist into the discussion as poor taste in my opinion. I think the passage in 1 Corinthians can be discussed and looked into in a mature fashion as to get answers on such matters that people seem to be really trouble by. How in the world can we tell what someone looked liked back in John the Baptist day there weren't any camera's or pictures to go by so why play guessing games like that. 

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I think instead of just reading a couple of verses and thinking we know what they mean....as why was that written...how did it apply ...and why...and is this my personal preference to make something an issue...or is it scriptural?

I agree here 100% in taking the 1 Corinthians passage as a whole because it goes together as a whole and has been given to us scripturally as a whole. One shouldn't deny that this scripture exists in the NT scriptures and the scripture should not be dismissed or denied and made to be obsolete because one may not be able to get the understanding of the passage. But do people really want understanding or their own way is the bigger picture as I see it. But there is obviously scriptural teaching being given to the Church in the 1 Corinthian passage of scripture it is instruction in fact and gives wisdom most can't wrap their brains around.

 

 

[missmuffet]

That was John the Baptist in the NT this is today.

[Hippie333]

That was John the Baptist in the NT this is today.

Meaning?

 

The point I am trying to make Peep - is why do we keep having thread after thread about worrying over the outside of people?