Submission

[Kan]

The words and example of Christ at the last supper, are a couple of illustrations that could be used to prove the point that there is no big boss mentality in heaven.

[Pamelasv]

I can see how there has to be a leader, as in anything for something to work.  In the church, the pastors, we respect them and have to go by their authority.  In crime, gangs, they have leaders.  Things fall apart without someone leading.  No peace and harmony.   Even we submit to the law for life to be safer and more peaceful for everyone.  

As for the Eve being deceived thing, she believed the serpent rather than God.  Sounds like 'unbelief' to me.  Sin talked about in the old testament over and over again when they were in the wilderness. Also, her husband must have seen she didn't die, not realizing that someday they would.  

I still stick by my thoughts that that is rebellion.  Going against what God says is just plain rebellion!  There are no if' and's or but's!

[Guest Butero]

The words and example of Christ at the last supper, are a couple of illustrations that could be used to prove the point that there is no big boss mentality in heaven.

There is nothing there that proves anything with regard to the mentality in heaven, and certainly nothing that shows Jesus will we "our waiter" in heaven. 

[Kan]

I can see how there has to be a leader, as in anything for something to work.  In the church, the pastors, we respect them and have to go by their authority.  In crime, gangs, they have leaders.  Things fall apart without someone leading.  No peace and harmony.   Even we submit to the law for life to be safer and more peaceful for everyone.  

As for the Eve being deceived thing, she believed the serpent rather than God.  Sounds like 'unbelief' to me.  Sin talked about in the old testament over and over again when they were in the wilderness. Also, her husband must have seen she didn't die, not realizing that someday they would.  

I still stick by my thoughts that that is rebellion.  Going against what God says is just plain rebellion!  There are no if' and's or but's!

I get what you are saying, any sin is rebellion, but how a person is bought into sin, will determine whether it is their choice of rebellion or not. Eve was caught through numerous temptations, many thoughts were challenged. She did not rebel, but her thoughts and actions ended up being that in the line of rebellion, even though she was not aware of it. She did not choose to rebel, but she did. If that makes any sense?

[thereselittleflower]

When Eve was deceived it I don't think most people realize it was because the serpent told her the truth.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[other one]

When Eve was deceived it I don't think most people realize it was because the serpent told her the truth.

 

 

and that most likely was Adams fault.

It is certainly not scriptural, but can see him explaining it to Eve because she was not there when God told hiim not to eat of the tree....

 

Eve,  "But why shouldn't we eat it."

Adam,  "Just don't touch it."    "Leave it alone and don't mess with it."

I can just see it like it was real....

 

[Kan]

The words and example of Christ at the last supper, are a couple of illustrations that could be used to prove the point that there is no big boss mentality in heaven.

There is nothing there that proves anything with regard to the mentality in heaven, and certainly nothing that shows Jesus will we "our waiter" in heaven. 

See Luke 22, John 13. Watch the scenes carefully as you read, who washes the disciple's feet, who breaks the bread and pours the wine?

Note that after Jesus in His thoughts acknowledges His Divinity with the Father and His mission, He girds himself, as a servant to serve. John 13:3.

He also tells how the hierarchy in the world is not to be practiced among the disciples. He as the King of heaven is happier to give than to receive, to serve rather than be served.

John 14, Jesus goes to heaven to prepare for the dwelling and reception of the disciples, and all the saved, and says that He will not eat or drink until they are with Him, and they are fed.

The knowledge of Christ as a waiter, is based on His character, teachings and example.

This character is also demonstrated among His faithful throughout the ages.

Abram, welcoming and serving the strangers. Mordecai, Daniel, Joseph, stood in king's palaces with high positions, yet they did the work of servants, working at the gates rather than sitting on the throne.

 

[thereselittleflower]

When Eve was deceived it I don't think most people realize it was because the serpent told her the truth.

 

 

and that most likely was Adams fault.

It is certainly not scriptural, but can see him explaining it to Eve because she was not there when God told hiim not to eat of the tree....

 

Eve,  "But why shouldn't we eat it."

Adam,  "Just don't touch it."    "Leave it alone and don't mess with it."

I can just see it like it was real....

 

- and when she said  they were told not to touch it or they would die, the serpent was truthfully abie to say that was wrong .  and so began to weave a lie with the truth.   I beleive that because it was obvious to her he spoke the truth, that opened the door for her to consider all he said, and we know what happened next.

 

[thereselittleflower]

The words and example of Christ at the last supper, are a couple of illustrations that could be used to prove the point that there is no big boss mentality in heaven.

There is nothing there that proves anything with regard to the mentality in heaven, and certainly nothing that shows Jesus will we "our waiter" in heaven. 

See Luke 22, John 13. Watch the scenes carefully as you read, who washes the disciple's feet, who breaks the bread and pours the wine?

Note that after Jesus in His thoughts acknowledges His Divinity with the Father and His mission, He girds himself, as a servant to serve. John 13:3.

He also tells how the hierarchy in the world is not to be practiced among the disciples. He as the King of heaven is happier to give than to receive, to serve rather than be served.

John 14, Jesus goes to heaven to prepare for the dwelling and reception of the disciples, and all the saved, and says that He will not eat or drink until they are with Him, and they are fed.

The knowledge of Christ as a waiter, is based on His character, teachings and example.

This character is also demonstrated among His faithful throughout the ages.

Abram, welcoming and serving the strangers. Mordecai, Daniel, Joseph, stood in king's palaces with high positions, yet they did the work of servants, working at the gates rather than sitting on the throne.

 

Yet he talks about those who would be greatest among them, so there is hierarchy, just not one that functions like the word's hierarchy, for the greatest among them needed to be the servant of all.

 

 

Edited October 2, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Kan]

The words and example of Christ at the last supper, are a couple of illustrations that could be used to prove the point that there is no big boss mentality in heaven.

The whole thing--the wicked sinful fall  began with Lucifer usurping GOD's  Authority.   What you say is the opposite of what is told to us in the scriptures.

Yes, I am telling the opposite of what people think about the terms authority, submission etc. the Bible can be read in different ways.