DO YOU BELIEVE ITS OKAY TO EAT PORK, AS A BELIEVER IN GOD ?

[hmbld]

11 minutes ago, Salty said:

Under the New Covenant eating pork is not a salvation issue.

But it is always going to be a health issue.

Pork simply is not healthy, mainly because a hog is a scavenger God designed to cleanse the earth. Its system can digest just about anything, and it retains those poisons from scavenging. (I was raised on bacon, sausage, and country ham by the way).

That is why the pig is not on God's healthy list of foods He created to be received written in His laws. Same reason shell fish is not on His healthy food list also, since shell fish are scavengers also.

Contrast that with beef, deer, elk, etc. What do those kind of animals eat? They eat grains and are not scavengers. This is why these kind of animals are on God's healthy food list. It's easy to see the difference in cleanliness of system.

 

Pork, the other white meat!

Pork loin is lower in fat than chicken breast!

Does it make any difference if the pork you buy in a store, was carefully fed rations of grain and soymeal, and the pigs have never so much as stepped foot on any dirt?  Oh yeah, cattle that graze ingest worms and eggs, and are nearly always treated for such. 

[Salty]

21 minutes ago, hmbld said:

Does it make any difference if the pork you buy in a store, was carefully fed rations of grain and soymeal, and the pigs have never so much as stepped foot on any dirt?

When God gave His healthy food list in the OT laws, pigs were not raised on concrete and fed grain like Jimmy Dean's supposedly does. Even pork loin is still harder for us to digest than beef. Ask your doctor.

With farm raised catfish, does that make catfish healthy to eat, since God designed it as a scavenger? Many think so. But why does it still smell and taste so fishy? Because it's still... a scavenger.

Some things might change, but you're still eating a scavenger God designed to cleanse the earth.

[Ezra]

On 11/21/2016 at 7:25 PM, coheir said:

I was told the book of Hebrews does not pertain to Gentiles ie Christians of the new covenant

That is not quite accurate.  While it is addressed to Hebrew Christians, it is indeed all about the New Covenant, which means it is for all Christians.  

And in this book, "meats" is mentioned in relation to the Old Covenant. What Paul is revealing is that meats are inconsequential to Christians with the passing of the Old Covenant.

BTW I am simply amazed that this ancient thread has taken on a life of its own.  But the slogan which applies is "Put pork on your fork".

[coheir]

1 minute ago, Ezra said:

That is not quite accurate.  While it is addressed to Hebrew Christians, it is indeed all about the New Covenant, which means it is for all Christians.  

And in this book, "meats" is mentioned in relation to the Old Covenant. What Paul is revealing is that meats are inconsequential to Christians with the passing of the Old Covenant.

BTW I am simply amazed that this ancient thread has taken on a life of its own.  But the slogan which applies is "Put pork on your fork".

I thought it did and I hoped some one would confirm it as you have. A Preacher told me one time it was not for Christians; an I no longer go to that church.

[Salty]

I agree with inChrist. God did not change His health laws. He did not suddenly make a vulture or hog healthy to eat by the coming of the New Covenant. Thinking He did suddenly make scavengers healthy to eat is like creating a miracle out of thin air which never happened, and was never preached by Apostle Paul.

Just as when Paul was bitten by a poisonous snake and it did not affect him, we have some Churches that try to use that as an example to show whether or not you have The Holy Spirit in you, testing you by letting the snake actually bite... you! This shows the extremism that some ignorant folks will go to with things written in the Scriptures which they take completely out of context; my meaning being that Apostle Paul never, ever preached to test members in the Church for The Holy Spirit using snakes! He didn't even preach to test members to see if they had The Holy Spirit either!

The difference Paul preached about God's law is that IF... we walk by The Spirit, only then are we not under the law, because walking by The Spirit means you won't be doing anything that is against God's laws.

That certainly does not mean God's laws are dead. What our Lord Jesus nailed to His cross were the blood ordinances in the law, the ritual ceremonial and sacrificial laws, ritual priesthood, etc. He did not nail God's laws against murder, thieving, perjury, rape, etc. to His cross, even as Paul showed in 1 Timothy 1.

Brethren need to understand that Christ's enemies exist within the Church also, and they are there to mislead the brethren into ruination IF Christian brethren listen to them. That's who I strongly think is influencing the lie that under the New Covenant it's now OK healthy to eat anything you want. It's not, that's a lie. The difference is that it is not a Salvation issue. It simply means YOUR BODY WILL NOT BE AS HEALTHY. The wolves in sheep's clothing in the Church, and their ignorant followers, don't want you to be healthy. They want to destroy Christ's Church.

 

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, Salty said:

I agree with inChrist. God did not change His health laws.

Actually God did change His dietary (not health) laws, and those have already been posted.  But naturally, you have ignored those Scriptures.

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, inchrist said:

Where exactly?

 

1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:1-5).

Does "every creature" mean every creature or not?  No one in compelling you to even eat meat, but don't contradict God the Holy Spirit who says EXRPESSLY what He says. This also corresponds to Genesis 9:3,4:

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

It is a dangerous thing to contradict God.

[Guest shiloh357]

16 hours ago, Salty said:

The difference Paul preached about God's law is that IF... we walk by The Spirit, only then are we not under the law, because walking by The Spirit means you won't be doing anything that is against God's laws.

So Christians who don't follow the dietary commandments in Leviticus are not walking in the Spirit?

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That certainly does not mean God's laws are dead. What our Lord Jesus nailed to His cross were the blood ordinances in the law, the ritual ceremonial and sacrificial laws, ritual priesthood, etc. He did not nail God's laws against murder, thieving, perjury, rape, etc. to His cross, even as Paul showed in 1 Timothy 1.

No, that is not what it says.

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;  (Col 2:14)

What Paul is referencing is the Roman practice of nailing the offenses a victim of crucifixion was guilty of committing to their cross.  Passers by could read what the person had done, the law(s) they broke that justified their punishment.

Paul's point is that our offenses the list of the laws we broke, were nailed to Jesus' cross.  He was dying in our place, taking the punishment we deserved.  Our sins were imputed to Jesus, being nailed to His cross.    Nothing in the NT says that the blood ordinances or ceremonial aspect of the law being nailed to the cross.   That is just SDA false teaching.

[Salty]

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

So Christians who don't follow the dietary commandments in Leviticus are not walking in the Spirit?

No, that is not what it says.

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;  (Col 2:14)

What Paul is referencing is the Roman practice of nailing the offenses a victim of crucifixion was guilty of committing to their cross.  Passers by could read what the person had done, the law(s) they broke that justified their punishment.

Paul's point is that our offenses the list of the laws we broke, were nailed to Jesus' cross.  He was dying in our place, taking the punishment we deserved.  Our sins were imputed to Jesus, being nailed to His cross.    Nothing in the NT says that the blood ordinances or ceremonial aspect of the law being nailed to the cross.   That is just SDA false teaching.

Lot of absolutist thinking there which defies common sense. If someone isn't walking by The Spirit then they will be breaking the laws Paul categorized in Galatians 5. Read it; it's Christian doctrine they forgot to tell you in your Church system. So this is not my teaching, it's Apostle Paul's.

Furthermore, I made it specific in my post that eating outside God's health laws is NOT a Salvation issue. But it is STILL a HEALTH ISSUE FOR OUR FLESH BODIES.

In other words, if you don't care whether or not your flesh body is healthy, then go ahead, eat all the junk food, pork, shell fish, processed foods, etc., you want. But your body won't be as healthy, as doctors well know and will tell you. One might get by with it while young, but when they get older it will start telling on them.

 

[Salty]

Here's an example of how this subject is mistaught from the New Testament in many Churches today:

1 Tim 4:4-5
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV

That is what they will quote... leaving out what Paul said below just before that:

1 Tim 4:3
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
KJV

Which meats did God create to be received for man? That is not just about prayers of thanks for the meat, for all food God provides us we are to give Him thanksgiving.

The meats God created to be received are listed in Deut.14. Pork is not on the list because God created it to be scavenger to cleanse the earth. Nor is shell fish, for they are scavengers to help cleanse the sea. Same for catfish.

But the synagogue of Satan doesn't like this revelation, since it could interrupt their businesses of selling unhealthy food products to us Gentiles, as they want to destroy God's people by telling them it's alright to eat anything they want. And many of God's people are so ignorant they will let them do it to them.