Jesus arose and the graves where open of the saints

[SINNERSAVED]

okay everyone, here we have the resurrection of Jesus coming from the dead , and then they ,the graves of the saints were opened, and went into the city ?

we are seeing what is , the first fruits that came from the grave , with Christ  Jesus the first rapture, that I did not catch in the beginning, so we have three, raptures in total,

the one with Him

 the second of the saints after the tribulation prior to his return ,

and then for those that are not saints and received the mark of the beast after

, so if no one is in heaven yet , and they are waiting ,even those that pierced him, and job ,and david are awaiting, are they not with Him now ? with the first resurrection,

of the first fruits, and where would the first fruits be ? right now if they are risen already,

is these that are, at the 5th seal  ? calling out how long lord must we wait for god to ,redeem us, and He says wait until the others, are come out and killed as they were ?

[Littlelambseativy]

These were seen by others but nowhere is it told they were resurrected.

[JohnD]

Larry Feldman (Messianic Jewish rabbi / pastor) described being raised from the dead in two ways:

• resurrection
• restoration

Resurrection is to life eternal in the perfected state.

Restoration is to the same life in the same body that will die again.

Matthew 27:52–53 (AV)

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Note HIS resurrection... not theirs. They arose, but so did Lazarus and the widow's son and Tabitha, and those that were raised in Elijah's and Elisha's day.

 

[SINNERSAVED]

4 hours ago, Littlelambseativy said:

These were seen by others but nowhere is it told they were resurrected.

they came from there graves, and so this is something that I have not .also seen anything else on this saints, could they be the spirits and visions to the families and people? I am curious to know where did they go if they came out of the graves, ?

[JohnD]

7 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

they came from there graves, and so this is something that I have not .also seen anything else on this saints, could they be the spirits and visions to the families and people? I am curious to know where did they go if they came out of the graves, ?

I am not suggesting any legitimacy to UFOs, but you have to remember the entrenched Jewish leadership was engaged in a smear campaign of anything to do with Christ Jesus. And no doubt they were discounting claims of any sightings of these people who were raised from the dead (though not resurrected). These naysayers were quite adept at their trade. 

If you had virtually no access to what was necessary to write historic accounts, and those who possessed nearly all those tools were as strongly opposed to what you were eyewitness to (namely the dead raised) your account would not make it to the historic record either. The Sanhedrin had learned their lesson with the raising of Lazarus no doubt, to squash such things before they get such notoriety that they had (in the case of Lazarus) use the demoniac card... claiming Jesus did his miracles by the devil since they could not deny them in any other way.

Point being, you will be hard pressed to find the evidence / information you seek.  And for that reason many a Christian even many a Christian theologian will not go into too much detail about the subject. I say that since the Bible mentions it, the Spirit who wrote the Bible intended it to be there as an account of what happened. If only to show us the extent of the opposition to Christ in the Jewish leadership to give us some idea what has fueled the fire of that opposition these 2000 years.

It is tragic. But understandable. It is not an excuse for that would be another means of salvation and John 14:6 and Acts 4:12 plainly state that is impossible. The Jewish leadership was infiltrated and overcome with satanic operatives. The lump of leaven in the dough (Matthew 13:33)... it's sad actually. The Bible taught these people were to follow their leaders with the Messiah being only the exception. That meant nearly all the clear forthright scriptures said to follow their leaders and only a few forthright passages about the Messiah... for most scriptures about the Messiah were obscured in prophetic mystery (Proverbs 25:2) to protect the Messiah during his vulnerability (living his life as a man and the fragile messianic line from Adam to Mary). And given the scripture canon was in flux and generally only in the hands of the leadership, it was easy for them to obscure any opposition to their absolute reign over the people.

Romans 11:28 (AV)

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.

 

[other one]

1 hour ago, JohnD said:

Romans 11:28 (AV)

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.

 

I wish everyone really understood this.....   it seems that almost everyone I know thinks enemy or beloved but not both.    

[SINNERSAVED]

3 hours ago, JohnD said:

I am not suggesting any legitimacy to UFOs, but you have to remember the entrenched Jewish leadership was engaged in a smear campaign of anything to do with Christ Jesus. And no doubt they were discounting claims of any sightings of these people who were raised from the dead (though not resurrected). These naysayers were quite adept at their trade. 

If you had virtually no access to what was necessary to write historic accounts, and those who possessed nearly all those tools were as strongly opposed to what you were eyewitness to (namely the dead raised) your account would not make it to the historic record either. The Sanhedrin had learned their lesson with the raising of Lazarus no doubt, to squash such things before they get such notoriety that they had (in the case of Lazarus) use the demoniac card... claiming Jesus did his miracles by the devil since they could not deny them in any other way.

Point being, you will be hard pressed to find the evidence / information you seek.  And for that reason many a Christian even many a Christian theologian will not go into too much detail about the subject. I say that since the Bible mentions it, the Spirit who wrote the Bible intended it to be there as an account of what happened. If only to show us the extent of the opposition to Christ in the Jewish leadership to give us some idea what has fueled the fire of that opposition these 2000 years.

It is tragic. But understandable. It is not an excuse for that would be another means of salvation and John 14:6 and Acts 4:12 plainly state that is impossible. The Jewish leadership was infiltrated and overcome with satanic operatives. The lump of leaven in the dough (Matthew 13:33)... it's sad actually. The Bible taught these people were to follow their leaders with the Messiah being only the exception. That meant nearly all the clear forthright scriptures said to follow their leaders and only a few forthright passages about the Messiah... for most scriptures about the Messiah were obscured in prophetic mystery (Proverbs 25:2) to protect the Messiah during his vulnerability (living his life as a man and the fragile messianic line from Adam to Mary). And given the scripture canon was in flux and generally only in the hands of the leadership, it was easy for them to obscure any opposition to their absolute reign over the people.

Romans 11:28 (AV)

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.

 

that is very interesting, so are you saying that it happened as the bible stated , or it didn't happen ,but they wanted to get people motivated ?

was it a source of getting people to believe prior to paul saying that the second coming did not come yet, that this would be part of that argument,

and that no one even the ones that sleep are going to  be left behind, for the subject of even those that are asleep will be raised,

I hope you get what I was getting too     ,and  I hope I have made sense in my question,

 are these two issues of the same subject? the people saying what about there love ones that are all ready dead,

and the saints that came from the grave, and followed? at the same time of Jesus rising? was this part of the wonder if Christ already came for the people?

does the plot thicken, or am I chasing rabbits with this ? LOL

[Pamelasv]

What I'd like to know is, how did the people believe it was really them, those who arose from the tombs and appeared to many.  I'm picturing an old 'fashion' statement along with that. Ha. And like what did they say, Hey! I'm Moses!  Perhaps the Holy Spirit told them.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken]

I doubt there were any extraterrestrials involved, as this is the Word of God. 

Anyway apart from the Prime-Time TV version, it happened. I don't know how many or who, but it did happen.

 

[other one]

2 minutes ago, AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken said:

I doubt there were any extraterrestrials involved, as this is the Word of God. 

Anyway apart from the Prime-Time TV version, it happened. I don't know how many or who, but it did happen.

 

where do angels come from?