AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken Posted December 16, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,379 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2015 1 hour ago, simplejeff said: There are a few small assemblies or simply individuals around the world that keep Yahweh's order as it is clearly written. A few believers compared to the many practicing wickedness. Verified long ago in Revelation in the letters to the assemblies... ((or "the messenger" of the assemblies)). Well, name them brother. We all would like to know what you know. I think it's more personal than the assembly itself, though that is very important for growth ( but perhaps to gain a perspective of contrast ) ? Where two or more are gathered in HIS name, .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.12 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2015 On 12/12/2015 at 8:17 AM, enoob57 said: when ever one speaks in 'todays' tongues and does not know what it is they are saying-it is not based on The Word but on emotional response... which is subjectively believed to be of God when by Word it cannot be verified... The only harm that I see in it is that through emotional response is brought up to an equal plain of the foundation as God's Word ( ! ) Love, Steven Right. From the way I understand speaking in tongues is that if there is no one present who understands the speaker, it isn't of God. And that makes sense; the Lord wouldn't have us spouting jibberish at others when we could be giving them the Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.12 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2015 7 hours ago, simplejeff said: There are a few small assemblies or simply individuals around the world that keep Yahweh's order as it is clearly written. A few believers compared to the many practicing wickedness. Verified long ago in Revelation in the letters to the assemblies... ((or "the messenger" of the assemblies)). Who are these assemblies, jeff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,031 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,372 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 17, 2015 52 minutes ago, MorningGlory said: Right. From the way I understand speaking in tongues is that if there is no one present who understands the speaker, it isn't of God. And that makes sense; the Lord wouldn't have us spouting jibberish at others when we could be giving them the Word. I cannot find anything in creation or Word whereby purpose is annulled ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted December 17, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.70 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2015 On 12/11/2015 at 3:28 PM, other one said: Well, I have been required to pray for people in the middle of the night when they were in both spiritual and physical danger..... I have done so both in tongues and in English..... I accept it as needed, but I really don't know why I need to pray for someone when God already knows they need his help... That i really don't understand.... and it's unnerving to wake up in the middle of the night in a mental fit sensing the danger for someone... Because God has chosen to work in cooperation with us, not just for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamelasv Posted December 18, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 132 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 582 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/21/1969 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 19 hours ago, thereselittleflower said: Well I'm stuck in here. This isn't thereselittleflower flower. Since when is anybody arguing about people speaking in tongues in the assembly when there no interpreter? This is getting really old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Von Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1,265 Topics Per Day: 0.45 Content Count: 2,637 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 760 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/04/1972 Share Posted February 12, 2017 On 12/8/2015 at 11:40 AM, Pamelasv said: 1 Chorinthians 12:28 'And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.' I think Paul was trying to say these gifts are greater than tongues because afterward he talks about the Chorinthian church babbling so much in tongues, trying to look super spiritual or something. Is there more to this than just to get people to quit showing off, because it says 'God has appointed first' It's not like they have some more authority or something if they have greater gifts ( except apostles and the like) Perhaps there is absolutely nothing more than that, but I was wondering. Dear sister Pamelasv, Grace and mercy and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The fundamental question in 1Corinthians 12:28 is to show the order in which the ministries are exercised, not the degree of their importance: • First the apostles are sent by Jesus to lay the foundations of faith in Christ; • Then the prophets are sent to confirm these foundations through the Word that proceeds from the mouth of the Eternal; • Then the masters come to confirm these bases, clarifying all this better and living all this in their lives; • Then, the Eternal confirms all this with miracles and cures (Mark 16:20); • After all this, the brothers begin to help one another, to administer the grace and wisdom of the Eternal (Ephesians 3.10, 1 Peter 4.10) and to seek in the Eternal the correct way to pray and address one another. Finally, this passage shows how the Eternal acts in His Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted February 13, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,570 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,439 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted February 13, 2017 On 2/12/2017 at 6:57 AM, Leonardo Von said: Dear sister Pamelasv, Grace and mercy and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. The fundamental question in 1Corinthians 12:28 is to show the order in which the ministries are exercised, not the degree of their importance: • First the apostles are sent by Jesus to lay the foundations of faith in Christ; • Then the prophets are sent to confirm these foundations through the Word that proceeds from the mouth of the Eternal; • Then the masters come to confirm these bases, clarifying all this better and living all this in their lives; • Then, the Eternal confirms all this with miracles and cures (Mark 16:20); • After all this, the brothers begin to help one another, to administer the grace and wisdom of the Eternal (Ephesians 3.10, 1 Peter 4.10) and to seek in the Eternal the correct way to pray and address one another. Finally, this passage shows how the Eternal acts in His Church. Shalom, Leonardo Von. It was pointed out to me that you're resurrecting a lot of old subjects that haven't been seen since 2015! Be careful doing that and make sure that the OP is still on the forum. If you think you need to add something to this conversation, it might be best to start a NEW subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Von Posted March 1, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1,265 Topics Per Day: 0.45 Content Count: 2,637 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 760 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/04/1972 Share Posted March 1, 2017 On 2/13/2017 at 7:58 PM, Retrobyter said: Shalom, Leonardo Von. It was pointed out to me that you're resurrecting a lot of old subjects that haven't been seen since 2015! Be careful doing that and make sure that the OP is still on the forum. If you think you need to add something to this conversation, it might be best to start a NEW subject. Dear brother Retrobyter, Grace and mercy and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Honestly, I can’t understand what the problem is in responding to older threads. Even though the brother who created the thread is no longer attending the forum, this does not mean that someday he cannot come back. After all, this does not mean that the brother died. And even if he died, the other more than 70,000 who are registered in this forum are very alive and can take some advantage. In addition, perhaps the brother who created the thread was discouraged from staying just because the brothers did not bother to seek harder to heal his doubt. In Pamelasv's particular case, if I have been struggling to answer all her questions, it is because I value her greatly (because of her willingness to know Jesus and His Word more accurately), and I sincerely hope someday she returns and sees that all her effort was not in vain. After all, in general, these are questions of a high spiritual level. Honestly, I hope she comes back to the forum and be enlightened by Jesus to bring us more inquiries that can lead us closer to Jesus and His plan for us. As for why I do not make my own threads: 1st - I have the hope that Pamelasv, some day, will go to read the answers and be built by them; 2nd - I am against "reinventing the wheel". After all, if there is already a thread with a certain topic, why create another? Ideally, there should be only one thread for each theme and each brother would add, exclusively on the basis of Holy Scripture, their knowledge until they all came to the unity of faith (Ephesians 4:11-14). In any case, I thank you for your concern. In order for there to be no risk of me being criminalized for responding to old threads, I'll check with George if there are any rules in ToS that prohibit this. After all, in the Holy Scripture, I do not see anything wrong with wanting to help the brethren have their doubts healed, even if such questions arose years ago. Furthermore, may Jesus raise up more and more brothers (beginning with me) who, like Pamelasv, awaken in us the desire to have a living encounter with the Truth and be possessed and guided by it (see Romans 8:14). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrobyter Posted March 2, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,570 Content Per Day: 1.07 Reputation: 2,439 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/28/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/28/1957 Share Posted March 2, 2017 23 hours ago, Leonardo Von said: Dear brother Retrobyter, Grace and mercy and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Honestly, I can’t understand what the problem is in responding to older threads. Even though the brother who created the thread is no longer attending the forum, this does not mean that someday he cannot come back. After all, this does not mean that the brother died. And even if he died, the other more than 70,000 who are registered in this forum are very alive and can take some advantage. In addition, perhaps the brother who created the thread was discouraged from staying just because the brothers did not bother to seek harder to heal his doubt. In Pamelasv's particular case, if I have been struggling to answer all her questions, it is because I value her greatly (because of her willingness to know Jesus and His Word more accurately), and I sincerely hope someday she returns and sees that all her effort was not in vain. After all, in general, these are questions of a high spiritual level. Honestly, I hope she comes back to the forum and be enlightened by Jesus to bring us more inquiries that can lead us closer to Jesus and His plan for us. As for why I do not make my own threads: 1st - I have the hope that Pamelasv, some day, will go to read the answers and be built by them; 2nd - I am against "reinventing the wheel". After all, if there is already a thread with a certain topic, why create another? Ideally, there should be only one thread for each theme and each brother would add, exclusively on the basis of Holy Scripture, their knowledge until they all came to the unity of faith (Ephesians 4:11-14). In any case, I thank you for your concern. In order for there to be no risk of me being criminalized for responding to old threads, I'll check with George if there are any rules in ToS that prohibit this. After all, in the Holy Scripture, I do not see anything wrong with wanting to help the brethren have their doubts healed, even if such questions arose years ago. Furthermore, may Jesus raise up more and more brothers (beginning with me) who, like Pamelasv, awaken in us the desire to have a living encounter with the Truth and be possessed and guided by it (see Romans 8:14). Shalom, Leonardo Von. Okay, but you might want to point it out that you're bringing back something from the past just so people can respond to you and TENTATIVELY to older posters. Do what the Lord leads you to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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