Is the doctrine of the Trinity biblical?

[WilliamL]

On 1/20/2016 at 4:50 AM, angels4u said:

Hi Gary,

I'm trying to figure out what you mean when you say:

God is God.  There is none other beside God.  Jesus came out of God.  The Holy Spirit came out of God.  The two afore mentioned are representatives that declare the Father without err.  The only thing that matters is God.

You're not saying God was here first ? Jesus and the Holy Spirit were always there at the same time from the beginning..

John 1:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
 

Whenever one uses the word beginning, one is speaking of time.

Time only began when the Creation came to be. The Son and Spirit were only manifested when Creation came to be. (For how could there be a manifestation without a place to manifest?)

But Deity existed and exists outside of Creation. Outside of or before Creation, is "God" a  Trinity? Or a Unity? Or an Ayin Sof?

[Ezra]

On 20/01/2016 at 1:17 AM, gdemoss said:

 How does it help the whore to stop whoring?  Or keep the drunkard sober?  Does it somehow aid the theif to stop stealing?  

How does it minister to the hearts of the broken?

It definitely helps every sinner to know that Jesus is not just a Man but He is also God. It definitely helps every Christian to know that the Holy Spirit is not a mere "force" but that He too is God, who is within in order to enable the Christian to  become more like Christ.  Sinners must know that it is God who died on the Cross for their sins. That makes all the difference.

[thereselittleflower]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

Whenever one uses the word beginning, one is speaking of time.

Time only began when the Creation came to be. The Son and Spirit were only manifested when Creation came to be. (For how could there be a manifestation without a place to manifest?)

But Deity existed and exists outside of Creation. Outside of or before Creation, is "God" a  Trinity? Or a Unity? Or an Ayin Sof?

You're pointing to the Kabbalah as a potential valid source to tell us who God is?   Ayin Sof comes from the Kabbalah.   

• The worldview of Kabbalah is reminiscent of Eastern spirituality and Gnosticism in its teaching of reincarnation and mystical concepts. The goal in Kabbalah is to restore the lost garden of Eden by doing good deeds and working our way up the Tree of Life back to the divine source of all. The teachings of Kabbalah stand in contrast to the biblical concept of a personal God who redeems His creatures and His creation through the work of Christ on the cross.
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• According to Matt, the God of the Bible is one of the higher emanations of Ein Sof, since Genesis 1:1, he says, actually reads, “With beginning, It [Ein Sof] created God.”³⁴ Ein Sof pervades all creation, so that even a stone has divinity; all existence is pervaded by Deity.³⁵
• http://www.equip.org/article/kabbalah-getting-back-to-the-garden/

 

So why is the Kabbalah being introduced into our discussion  here?

 

We do not make a choice between Unity and Trinity.    God is a Trinity in Unity.  One being 3 Divine Persons.

As Athanathias said

• we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity

 

God is both unity and trinity.   

[SINNERSAVED]

i am amazed of how a phrase being said , turns into something , completely off topic, if we are so critical, who will want to comment, and give a response, ? , i got it from the beginning brother, and no need to apologize, blessings to you , and keep up the work you do, for the kingdom, you are making a difference, so stand firm in the truth of God , and let the spirit move with in you, blessings gdemoss

 

[SINNERSAVED]

2 hours ago, Ezra said:

It definitely helps every sinner to know that Jesus is not just a Man but He is also God. It definitely helps every Christian to know that the Holy Spirit is not a mere "force" but that He too is God, who is within in order to enable the Christian to  become more like Christ.  Sinners must know that it is God who died on the Cross for their sins. That makes all the difference.

the trinity of the three in one, is not important i believe, it is knowing that there is a holy , righteous and just God ,that has done all that

he could to save us , and not to spare the son , that the Name of Jesus Has Power, to save souls, and to change us from sinners to saints  by the out pouring of the blood on the cross, that covers us, for all of our sins, and we are forgiven , amen... blessings brother

[thereselittleflower]

The Trinity is important otherwise the beliefs of the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, the Kabbalists, etc. about God would be just as valid as anyone else's.

 

[other one]

20 hours ago, Sister said:

other one

It says that God's "Word" became flesh.  Not God.

God's Word which was inside him, he brought  forth out of himself and placed his Word next to himself.  It's still God speaking through "his" own Word.  He made a mirror image of himself simply by placing his Word from A to B.   From inside him to next to him.  His Word is so powerful, he wants his Word to have glory all on it's own. (I'm trying hard not to use the word "it", but that's hard when explaining)

So when the Word speaks, it's really God speaking.  Everything God spoke into existence is through his Word.  He would later turn his Word into flesh,... that same Word, so his Word can receive even more glory.  We know his Word when transformed into flesh was called "Jesus Christ".  In Revelation Christ is called "The Word of God".

It's so simple, and many get offended when I explain this.  I don't understand why? 

God's Word is always with him and was never without him.  When God said that he did everything alone and there is no one beside him, he says this because his Word belongs to him, and is a part of him and no one else.

 

 

That is ridiculous, plain and simple.  John says he was in the form of God and became flesh....   and when he was resurrected he asked the Father to jive him the glory he had before and the Father granted it.  God to flesh back to God.  Simple as that

[WilliamL]

11 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

As Athanathias said

• we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity

And Anthanasias wrote Scripture?

As far as your definitions of Kabbalism, there are a thousand different definitions thereof, including Christian, non-Christian and anti-Christian. The word kabbalah, which simply means "received," originally meant everything in the Tanakh following the Torah. In post-Talmudic times, it was used to describe the Oral Law. Later it came to be used by many to describe only Jewish Mysticism.

You come from a Christian background steeped in Western c/Catholic (small and large c) theological tradition. That tradition systematically and intentionally cut itself off from the Hebraic roots of the Church. You continue in this same mindset, attacking anything from the Hebraic side, while promoting Western theological dogma as "the Truth." This is narrow-mindedness, and people need to recognize it for what it is.

[SINNERSAVED]

7 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

The Trinity is important otherwise the beliefs of the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, the Kabbalists, etc. about God would be just as valid as anyone else's.

 

Jesus said follow Me ? no one else, and if you follow Him, you will get to the father,  Jesus went to the cross, 100% man and 100% God, he shed His blood on the cross ,once and for all  for all the sins and death  ,he conquered by being sacrificed on the cross to save us from death ,if we deny the self ,take up our cross, and follow Him, Jesus... then we are saved, its about Jesus , always about Jesus , the revelations is about Jesus, so this is   all need to know, ?

anything more, takes you away from the God ,that died and rose again ,if we need to witness to others , we keep it simple, why confuse and get into other things that don't speak more ,then the cross, and the name of Jesus , there is power in His name, this is what we tell Jws,  and Mormons and Catholics  and who ever else, that we need to believe and have faith ? in Jesus the son of God ,and go to Him, in

obedience and prayer, this is what saves us, the simplicity of the truth .

[thereselittleflower]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

And Anthanasias wrote Scripture?

As far as your definitions of Kabbalism, there are a thousand different definitions thereof, including Christian, non-Christian and anti-Christian. The word kabbalah, which simply means "received," originally meant everything in the Tanakh following the Torah. In post-Talmudic times, it was used to describe the Oral Law. Later it came to be used by many to describe only Jewish Mysticism.

You come from a Christian background steeped in Western c/Catholic (small and large c) theological tradition. That tradition systematically and intentionally cut itself off from the Hebraic roots of the Church. You continue in this same mindset, attacking anything from the Hebraic side, while promoting Western theological dogma as "the Truth." This is narrow-mindedness, and people need to recognize it for what it is.

So you are promoting the Kabbalah?