Do you think that being baptised will change someone?

[Reinitin]

On 1/20/2016 at 6:50 PM, Brittany said:

I mean, if someone really wanted to change but had trouble doing so. If they were trying, but then they kept failing because they didn't have enough willpower to resist worldly temptations, do you think that if they were baptized, they would have enough incentive to obey God's word better?

If a person obeys by their will what would it profit them? I mean righteousness before God can not be achieved by the flesh. We have to be filled by his Holy Spirit and become new creations by His heavenly seed.

Galatians 5 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,goodness, faith,[a] 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law..

Honestly, I think as the Lord does his work in us he leaves a pillar of flesh in us so we can see His nature forming in us.  Like in a sand pit. They leave a pillar un dug, so they can see their progress. I think the Lord leaves pillar of our old flesh till Christ fully forms in us.  Galatians 4 :19My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you--

 

 

 

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Edited February 22, 2016 by Reinitin

[natasha]

On 1/20/2016 at 8:50 PM, Brittany said:

I mean, if someone really wanted to change but had trouble doing so. If they were trying, but then they kept failing because they didn't have enough willpower to resist worldly temptations, do you think that if they were baptized, they would have enough incentive to obey God's word better?

a bit of a difficult question to answer I think

I understand water baptism to be an affirmation of faith in Christ and a desire to follow Him BUT it is also a metaphor for being buried with Him and having your life now in Him, so I'm really not ready to say it will give someone incentive to change

I guess I'm saying that I do not think water baptism has the 'power' to change someone?

I might also think however, looking on the other side of the coin so to speak, that a person could possibly think a little more of what they are doing before giving in to sin, if they took baptism seriously, that is as a desire to commit not to sin?

 

[Riverwalker]

baptism is an outward expression of an inner faith. Or it should be. It is the evidence of a changed person, not the cause

[JohnD]

Water Baptism (which is not mandatory for our salvation) is an outward testimony of an inward transformation (the latter is Holy Spirit Baptism which IS mandatory for salvation).

[simplejeff]

Well what does Jesus say ? 

He says : 

Mark 16:16 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

"16 Whoever ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,trusts and ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, is immersed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,will be saved";

 

so,  that's one point.  

for those who want to know what Jesus says.

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and then

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,one of the apostles

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,((in union with all the other apostles in Yahshua)) 

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and by Yahshua's authority and Yahshua's Revelation

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,said: Acts 2:38  "Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins"

 

 

 

so, that's one more point. for those who want to know what Jesus says.--------------- 

[Reinitin]

The Lord changes us. 

[simplejeff]

14 minutes ago, Reinitin said:

The Lord changes us. 

Yes. 

Did Yahweh heal Naaman before or after Naaman was immersed/washed  ? 

In Matthew, Mark , Luke and John, those who accepted Messiah were immersed.  Those who rejected HIM were not.

What was the difference ? 

 

 

2 Kings 5: 9 So Na‘aman came with his horses and chariots and stood at the door of Elisha’s house.10 Elisha sent a messenger to him, who said, “Go, and bathe in the Yarden seven times. Your skin will become as it was, and you will be clean.” 11 But Na‘aman became angry and left, 

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Luke 7:30

but the P’rushim and the Torah-teachers, by not letting themselves beimmersed by him, nullified for themselves God’s plan.

 

[OldSchool2]

An old New England saying states that a man can go to hell with baptismal water on his face.

[Kindle]

On 1/20/2016 at 7:50 PM, Brittany said:

I mean, if someone really wanted to change but had trouble doing so. If they were trying, but then they kept failing because they didn't have enough willpower to resist worldly temptations, do you think that if they were baptized, they would have enough incentive to obey God's word better?

Mark 16:16

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

 

[simplejeff]

There are old lessons, valuable lessons, breathed by Yahweh, 

revealed to His called and chosen men;

some in the worthy library.

some online.

others elsewhere.

all from Scripture and in Perfect Harmony with all Scripture ((not contradicting, adding, or taking away anything)),

that show it is not by will power that anyone overcomes sin or the power of the world, the flesh or the devil. 

1 hour ago, Reinitin said:

The Lord changes us. 

AMEN ! 

On January 20, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Brittany said:

I mean, if someone really wanted to change but had trouble doing so. If they were trying, but then they kept failing because they didn't have enough willpower to resist worldly temptations, do you think that if they were baptized, they would have enough incentive to obey God's word better?

Not just incentive.  ((After all,

if they don't even obey the very first step**,

how could they ever obey any part of God's WORD better ???  ))

>> LIFE, JOY, PEACE, RIGHTEOUSNESS, RIGHT STANDING WITH YAHWEH

is more than enough incentive to start with.

But remember that those who were not immersed, did not even accept Jesus as Messiah.((in the NT)).

**Look up with biblegateway perhaps, all the instances of immerse ((in Hebrew or CJB)) ((both// practically the same verses)).

and read them all in context.  it will take some time.

The WORD is AMAZING and TRUE!