Raptures & Resurrections

[WilliamL]

8 hours ago, n2thelight said:

We were made in His image so I can't figure out why people think God is just some glob of energy

Angels have came down,and they look like us,and they ate...In other words,though we may be changed we will still have substance,it's a totally different deminsion,and flesh and blood cannot enter that dimension...

Christ had a body before He was born of woman

Which body was a garment, as all bodies are. "[A] glob of energy" is in itself a form, which is just another type of body. An image is a bodily-form. That which is formless can only express itself to another through forms: flesh, soul, spirit, and breath-light are all forms of expression of the Divine. Words are forms of thoughts, emotions are forms of affections, and so on.

The natural man cannot grasp that which is Divine; but our present world is addicted to a scientific naturalistic worldview, where everything must have "substance." The Divine has no substance, or else the Divine would be limited and not infinite. The Divine is infinite: the Divine creates substance, but the Divine is not substance.

Ps. 104:2 [You] cover Yourself with light as with a garment...

[Last Daze]

22 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Which body was a garment, as all bodies are. "[A] glob of energy" is in itself a form, which is just another type of body. An image is a bodily-form. That which is formless can only express itself to another through forms: flesh, soul, spirit, and breath-light are all forms of expression of the Divine. Words are forms of thoughts, emotions are forms of affections, and so on.

The natural man cannot grasp that which is Divine; but our present world is addicted to a scientific naturalistic worldview, where everything must have "substance." The Divine has no substance, or else the Divine would be limited and not infinite. The Divine is infinite: the Divine creates substance, but the Divine is not substance.

Ps. 104:2 [You] cover Yourself with light as with a garment...

That's a fascinating bit to chew on there.

[SINNERSAVED]

18 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

That's a fascinating bit to chew on there.

wow that is something I never thought of, I need to think that one out also ,

[n2thelight]

12 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Which body was a garment, as all bodies are. "[A] glob of energy" is in itself a form, which is just another type of body. An image is a bodily-form. That which is formless can only express itself to another through forms: flesh, soul, spirit, and breath-light are all forms of expression of the Divine. Words are forms of thoughts, emotions are forms of affections, and so on.

The natural man cannot grasp that which is Divine; but our present world is addicted to a scientific naturalistic worldview, where everything must have "substance." The Divine has no substance, or else the Divine would be limited and not infinite. The Divine is infinite: the Divine creates substance, but the Divine is not substance.

Ps. 104:2 [You] cover Yourself with light as with a garment...

 

I can't agree...I do agree that God can be whatever He wants,but the image of Him that He made us,is the one He chose......God came to visit Ezekiel in a spaceship...Did He need that(ship)?No He did'nt

 

Fact remains we were created in His image .....If you want to call a glob of energy a form,that's cool,but that form is what we look like,and it's going to remain the same after the flesh has gone back to dust.....

 

The verse from Pslams don't apply

 

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?"

 

The above is when God created all souls,point being,they were not forms of energy

 

What Im getting from you is that we can just be energy just existing everywhere,that I can't see...

 

So can you explain to me a little more of what you are saying...

thx

[WilliamL]

11 hours ago, n2thelight said:

So can you explain to me a little more of what you are saying...

All summed up in this statement above: "The Divine has no substance, or else the Divine would be limited and not infinite. The Divine is infinite: the Divine creates substance, but the Divine is not substance."

When the Divine manifests in any form whatsoever, whether a light-form or a flesh-body (i.e. Jesus), that is only a limited representation of that part of his nature which his created beings can comprehend. But the entire nature of the Divine cannot be expressed in any single form, because forms have boundaries, and the Holy One is unbounded.

If you carry the concept in your mind that Divinity can be bounded, then you believe God is limited, and you've put your God in a box restricted by form(s). This is the same as saying that He is restricted by nature/substance, however fine that substance might be. That is a dangerous way of thinking. That is essentially Satan's way of thinking, who believes in and therefore thinks he can defeat a God of limited substance, and therefore a God of limited means.

[n2thelight]

16 hours ago, WilliamL said:

All summed up in this statement above: "The Divine has no substance, or else the Divine would be limited and not infinite. The Divine is infinite: the Divine creates substance, but the Divine is not substance."

When the Divine manifests in any form whatsoever, whether a light-form or a flesh-body (i.e. Jesus), that is only a limited representation of that part of his nature which his created beings can comprehend. But the entire nature of the Divine cannot be expressed in any single form, because forms have boundaries, and the Holy One is unbounded.

If you carry the concept in your mind that Divinity can be bounded, then you believe God is limited, and you've put your God in a box restricted by form(s). This is the same as saying that He is restricted by nature/substance, however fine that substance might be. That is a dangerous way of thinking. That is essentially Satan's way of thinking, who believes in and therefore thinks he can defeat a God of limited substance, and therefore a God of limited means.

Still He made us in His image......

[MorningGlory]

On 1/27/2016 at 8:48 AM, WilliamL said:

Which body was a garment, as all bodies are. "[A] glob of energy" is in itself a form, which is just another type of body. An image is a bodily-form. That which is formless can only express itself to another through forms: flesh, soul, spirit, and breath-light are all forms of expression of the Divine. Words are forms of thoughts, emotions are forms of affections, and so on.

The natural man cannot grasp that which is Divine; but our present world is addicted to a scientific naturalistic worldview, where everything must have "substance." The Divine has no substance, or else the Divine would be limited and not infinite. The Divine is infinite: the Divine creates substance, but the Divine is not substance.

Ps. 104:2 [You] cover Yourself with light as with a garment...

All opinion except for the Psalm.  You are teaching that opinion as if it's from the Bible.  Scripture doesn't tell us what form God takes or how many.  As for the Psalm, it's even more wonderful if you give it a little context:

1	Bless the LORD, O my soul.          O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honor and majesty:
2	who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:          who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
3	who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters:          who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:

[Guest Robert]

IMO, based on what we read in the gospels: Christ arose with a body that while tangible, was no longer bound by the limitations of this material world. Since scripture describes Jesus as the "first fruits" and "the first born of the dead", I think that our bodies would be similar in nature to His resurrection body.

[Montana Marv]

John 1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.  He was with God in the Beginning.  Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. v 14 The Word became flesh and dwelt with us.

Col 1:15-17... - He is the image of the invisible God.... For by Him all things were created; things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all thing were created by him and for him.  He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

And yet in Rev 4 - 2, 3 -At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it.  And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and carnelian.  A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled the throne.  Rev 5 :1 - Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals.

So here we see that God the Father is invisible, yet we see He appears like....  Jasper, Carnelian, Emerald, Rainbow.  And God the Father is sitting on the Throne in Heaven.  Plus in his right hand He is holding a scroll.

So God the Father does have dimension.  He sits on His Throne in Heaven, a scroll in his right hand....  and yet his appearance is not distinguishable.  And as John 14 says - In my Fathers house are many rooms...  God the Father does have a dwelling place.

Rev 21:3 - Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them  (New Jerusalem)

Then being Divine (as the Godhead is) and their utmost position is indescribable.  They are limitless, yet they choose form.  And yet they are ONE. 

William has some good thoughts.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

19 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

They are limitless, yet they choose form.  And yet they are ONE. 

That about sums it up.

20 hours ago, RobertS said:

IMO, based on what we read in the gospels: Christ arose with a body that while tangible, was no longer bound by the limitations of this material world. Since scripture describes Jesus as the "first fruits" and "the first born of the dead", I think that our bodies would be similar in nature to His resurrection body.

Welcome to this assembly, RobertS. Re: your last statement:

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.