Pre trib rapture is fake

[SINNERSAVED]

7 minutes ago, RobertS said:

Here's one problem some of you are not recognizing:

If we need to be here for the Tribulation, then that says the blood of Jesus Christ was NOT enough to cleanse us and purify us, and that we need to "suffer" in the Tribulation.

Either Christ's blood paid for our sins or it didn't:

And if Christ's blood wasn't enough to fully cleanse us, then what is? And if it is, then why are we on earth? Did God leave Noah with the sinners, or did he leave Enoch on Earth?

And tell me what groom lets his bride-to-be walk into a situation where he knows she will be pummeled and beaten to a bloody pulp? Read Rev 13 carefully: it says the saints would be overcome by the Beast.

 

Sorry, but your desire to "win crowns" during the Trib is showing.

 

+blessings to you Robert S,

 that is a great question, and here is what we believe to be true and of scripture as a believer and the word of God is truth , all of the scripture in bible is truth,

 NOW, you need to fully understand the power of the glory of God and the working of the holy spirit to see how it all pans out for the believer,

 here it is, Jesus Blood paid it all for all that would surrender and come to the feet of Jesus, He is salvation,  but He has provided and promised that no matter what happens , if we get hurt persecuted and or killed, we will be with him for ever for the Sin  and death now has no power over the second death, and we will be with Him, for we believe and have faith ,the flesh does not inherit heaven,

 so we need to change and put on immortal, and be able to be with Him for God is spirit , and those that worship , will worship in spirit and in truth , so the blood is done the work and it is finished,

 the saints will be over come  for 42 months, according to what it says, and for us to be purified, we are sinful humans,  and so we are not clean for the bride groom, but we are to be tried in the fire and purified, and as gold is purified , refiners fire, so shall we be , and when we are found saved by the blood of Jesus and cleansed from this world we will be putting on the white linen the righteousness that we have passed the test , and we have really surrendered to God,  and we are now the children of God, and this is what is told to us, for we now are like filty rags, and unclean, but you need to understand , the big picture,

 I hope this helps blessings brother

[MorningGlory]

29 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

 Matthew 24:21   For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

  Matthew 24:22   And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

  Matthew 24:23   Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

  Matthew 24:24   For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

  Matthew 24:25   Behold, I have told you before.

  Matthew 24:26   Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

  Matthew 24:27   For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

  Matthew 24:28   For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

  Matthew 24:29   Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

  Matthew 24:30   And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

  Matthew 24:31   And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Thank you.  But not one of those passages denies the PreTrib Rapture.

[SINNERSAVED]

20 minutes ago, RobertS said:

Here's one problem some of you are not recognizing:

If we need to be here for the Tribulation, then that says the blood of Jesus Christ was NOT enough to cleanse us and purify us, and that we need to "suffer" in the Tribulation.

Either Christ's blood paid for our sins or it didn't:

And if Christ's blood wasn't enough to fully cleanse us, then what is? And if it is, then why are we on earth? Did God leave Noah with the sinners, or did he leave Enoch on Earth?

If we were to be left on earth during the Tribulation, that would say that Jesus' blood wasn't enough to cleanse us, and that we needed to "suffer" during the tribulation. And that makes no sense.

And tell me what groom lets his bride-to-be walk into a situation where he knows she will be pummeled and beaten to a bloody pulp? Read Rev 13 carefully: it says the saints would be overcome by the Beast.

 

Sorry, but your desire to "win crowns" during the Trib is showing.

 

tribulation is still a time of testing,  and it is that we are to be faithful and wait and watch , for the appointed times of God, for it is in His time, that all thing s will happen, and so until then we are to put on the armor of God and continue to fight, for righteousness, and to continue to spread the Good news, we are to remain faithful as a bride does, until the end , and no matter what comes, we are to stay on the straight and narrow, ,

 for in these times many are going to the wide and broad road leading to the destructions of the soul , and so ,

 we want to be the called out ones that will be with God forever, what we suffer now is our service to Him, for we are also a witness and the voice and the vessels of righteousness, to the wicked and evil world. we are to be the salt , and the light in this world, that is our service to God, to stay faithful and believe, we are living in satans world right now until it all comes to an end,

 and its coming. BUT right now YOU have been WARNED it is the time of separating the goats from the sheep, and wheat from the tares,

 the wicked from the righteous, this is the time, that counts, for where we will stand in front of God, on the right side , or the left side,

 choose to day whom you will serve, and be saved, this is what scripture tells us,

blessings and peace

[SINNERSAVED]

3 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Thank you.  But not one of those passages denies the PreTrib Rapture.

REALLY ? that's interesting ? I think it depends on how you really want to look at it, ? HUh.. I think it denies the pre trib, myself,

 lets have everyone take a vote, if it does or if it does not state for or against, lets have all the members that want to comment to this give us a vote,

NO>>>>>>> it does not say pre trib rapture, /

 YES>>>>>>> for it does say pre trib rapture

 what does the members say, please vote, that be fun, to show how many say what this scripture really is saying ?

[Omegaman 3.0]

On 3/18/2016 at 6:54 AM, MorningGlory said:

he Pretrib Rapture is correct, to anyone who can see the truth in Scripture. 

So then MG, if I understand you correctly, it is your position, that I cannot see the truth is scripture, but you can?

[simplejeff]

17 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

REALLY ? that's interesting ? I think it depends on how you really want to look at it, ? HUh.. I think it denies the pre trib, myself,

 lets have everyone take a vote, if it does or if it does not state for or against, lets have all the members that want to comment to this give us a vote,

NO>>>>>>> it does not say pre trib rapture, /

 YES>>>>>>> for it does say pre trib rapture

 what does the members say, please vote, that be fun, to show how many say what this scripture really is saying ?

Corrie ten Boom didn't vote, doesn't have to, didn't have to, and won't . ((see her testimony online))

Also sinnsersaved, 

remember  ((as far as I know))

every time Yahweh's people "voted" ((i.e. went by popular opinion against Yahweh)),

they sinned, 

and were punished.

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, SINNERSAVED said:

 Matthew 24:21   For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Since the Olivet Discourse (which you have quoted in connection with the Rapture) has NOTHING WHATSOEVER concerning the Rapture, and the Great Tribulation is for the unbelieving and the ungodly, it is evident that you do not understand the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming. This has already been pointed out but to make it crystal clear:

RAPTURE = CHRIST COMING FOR HIS SAINTS

MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB = CHRIST JOINED TO HIS SAINTS

SECOND COMING = CHRIST COMING WITH HIS SAINTS

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, RobertS said:

Here's one problem some of you are not recognizing:

If we need to be here for the Tribulation, then that says the blood of Jesus Christ was NOT enough to cleanse us and purify us, and that we need to "suffer" in the Tribulation.

Either Christ's blood paid for our sins or it didn't:

And if Christ's blood wasn't enough to fully cleanse us, then what is? And if it is, then why are we on earth? Did God leave Noah with the sinners, or did he leave Enoch on Earth?

If we were to be left on earth during the Tribulation, that would say that Jesus' blood wasn't enough to cleanse us, and that we needed to "suffer" during the tribulation. And that makes no sense.

And tell me what groom lets his bride-to-be walk into a situation where he knows she will be pummeled and beaten to a bloody pulp? Read Rev 13 carefully: it says the saints would be overcome by the Beast.

Sorry, but your desire to "win crowns" during the Trib is showing.

Good post Robert, and extremely valid points -- for those who have ears to hear!

[Reinitin]

4 hours ago, Ezra said:

"Not subject to interpretation"?  That is certainly not what Scripture teaches.  To "rightly divide the Word" is to rightly interpret the Word of God, comparing Scripture with Scripture, and allowing the Holy Spirit to teach us the correct interpretation.

2 peter 1: 20 First of all, you should know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation, 21 because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. 

[SINNERSAVED]

4 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Since the Olivet Discourse (which you have quoted in connection with the Rapture) has NOTHING WHATSOEVER concerning the Rapture, and the Great Tribulation is for the unbelieving and the ungodly, it is evident that you do not understand the difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming. This has already been pointed out but to make it crystal clear:

RAPTURE = CHRIST COMING FOR HIS SAINTS

MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB = CHRIST JOINED TO HIS SAINTS

SECOND COMING = CHRIST COMING WITH HIS SAINTS

where does anything I  have shown you , that you have not accepted but refused,

 where is the rapture of the saints , that you separated from the second coming ? you are confusion, and are not ,

 following the scriptures , for if there was a place that says you will be raptured and no tribulation, then where is it, for you have not proven anything,

 how would any one just learning about scripture find what you are saying to be true, it is not there, it talks about not in secret, did you even read what I have in scripture, you can not refute the scripture and say its not true,and make up your own teaching, this is not even how it works, ?

if you can convince me that  a rapture is coming before the tribulation, and exclude the verse that God gives the beast 42 month to over come the saints, then I would believe you , but you are out of context, and I am showing you what God said, and what is to happen, for ?

 FOR ? if there is a Rapture before tribulation, then how does the beast have permission from God to over come the saints, ? then they would not be there to be over come,

 this is fact , not my words , scripture from the bible ? tell me how you justify that ??????

thank you ,