Why the Great Trib May Be of Short Duration

[Last Daze]

11 minutes ago, Rick_Parker said:

The Tribulation period is set at 7 years (week of sevens), with the last 3.5 years being the Great Tribulation. That is scriptural, that is settled.

There are no scriptures that substantiate what you say here.  Period.  Its just another in a long list of baseless assertions.

[Zemke]

50 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

None of those previous 40-days periods of trial/testing/tribulation had anything to do with the wrath of God upon the ones going though those periods.

Rather, 40 days is the standard period for God testing the faith of his people, not bringing his wrath upon them. Periods of wrath of God upon his people always have lasted much longer.

Well I think that was sort of the point I was making. 

[missmuffet]

45 minutes ago, Rick_Parker said:

Sorry, but the 70th week is yet to be fulfilled. And the book of Jasher is extra-Biblical and is not part of the Word. The Tribulation period is set at 7 years (week of sevens), with the last 3.5 years being the Great Tribulation. That is scriptural, that is settled.

It always amazes me of how many try to rewrite Scripture.

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

1 hour ago, Rick_Parker said:

The Tribulation period is set at 7 years (week of sevens), with the last 3.5 years being the Great Tribulation. That is scriptural, that is settled.

There are no scriptures that substantiate what you say here.  Period.  Its just another in a long list of baseless assertions.

Exactly, Last Daze. Saying it's so doesn't make it true, scriptures saying it's so make it true. No such scripture of which Rick or any other pre-tribber have ever provided.

Whereas I have provided multiple scriptural examples as evidence to back up my statement that 40-days is a standard biblical period for God to test his people.

1 hour ago, Rick_Parker said:

the book of Jasher is extra-Biblical and is not part of the Word.

Sez you. Some of the Bible's authors respected the book's historical veracity, however, and I value their opinion over yours or selective conclaves of Jewish and Roman Empire Church prelates.

[Guest]

And I value what the Holy Spirit has determined to be the Word of GOD over you.

[Sister]

9 hours ago, WilliamL said:

40 days has been the standard biblical period of trial/tribulation and testing.

The pounding downpour and great upwelling of water in Noah's time lasted 40 days, and the Book of Jasher records that even in the ark they were in great distress, until it all ended.

At the beginning of the Exodus, 40 days marked the period of trial and testing of Israel, ending with the Amalekite attack upon them, after which they had rest.

Another 40 day-test of Israel came in the searching out the Holy Land by the 12 spies, and the peoples' response to their report.

Jesus, the Divine Human, underwent 40 days of trial at the beginning of his ministry.

Then later, after his resurrection, there came a concluding 40 days' testing of the faith of the disciples up to the time of his ascension.

In our time, a collapse of government, banking, the food distribution system and the electrical grid, coupled with chaos, war, and plague (the events of Seals 1-5), would cause near immediate tribulation for most people. Even those prepared might find it difficult to survive 40 days without either Divine or human (Church) assistance. Which may be why the Lord said, "unless those days were [i.e., will be] shortened, no flesh would be saved." Plus, Paul clearly stated in Hebrews 12:18-28 and elsewhere that the Church's coming to heavenly Mount Zion will mimic Israel's coming to earthly Mount Sinai. I suspect this will apply to the time period also.

So those are my reasons for a short Trib: not conclusive, but at least highly plausible if not likely.

Hi William

I was amused when I saw this thread just now, for the last thing on my mind last night before I went to bed was the number 40 used throughout the scriptures.  Forty days it rained when the earth was flooded, 40 years in the desert for the Hebrews, Jesus fasted for 40 days, and after he rose from the dead, he came back and showed himself that he was now alive for forty days.

Forty, forty, forty, there is something definately there to think about!  Concerning the end times, I think that war from start to finish where the medes cross over in to Israel right up to Armageddon and the coming would be close to forty days for this will be a war cut short because of the appearing of Christ.

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7 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

Sorry, but the 70th week is yet to be fulfilled. And the book of Jasher is extra-Biblical and is not part of the Word. The Tribulation period is set at 7 years (week of sevens), with the last 3.5 years being the Great Tribulation. That is scriptural, that is settled.

What is the book of Jasher.

[gdemoss]

I am led to believe that tribulation is good for by it I have found patience that led to experience and hope that followed.

Q: What is the purpose of the great tribulation? 

A: To bring in the Kingdom of God upon the earth.

A coming time when everyone shall know him from the least to the greatest.  All who reject The Self Existent One must be done away with for it is the end of the unbelieving world and the beginning of a new age of absolute belief in the one true God in which Jesus will reign supreme and bring about a perfect knowledge of God.

At the Name of Jesus every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess unto God that Jesus is Lord.

Hold on to your hats, we're in for a bumpy ride. Rejoice for this is what we are all hoping for!

[Last Daze]

16 hours ago, WilliamL said:

The way I understand it at present, the first 40 days [minus however much shortened] of the 1260 will be the time of testing of the Church = the Great Tribulation. Then the Church will be removed, and only Israel and those of the Church who were not "ready" (Matt. 25:10f.) will remain on earth during the remainder of the 1260 days.

I see that as being in the realm of possibility time-wise.  I had tended to think the great tribulation, as defined by Jesus in Matthew 24, would be more on the order of a few months but there are precedents for 40 days as you've shown.  We just need to be ready and faithful to the end.

[WilliamL]

13 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

And I value what the Holy Spirit has determined to be the Word of GOD over you.

And so now you represent the mind of the Holy Spirit on the subject? Again, solely upon your own word and/or the word of men, not Scripture itself.

16 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Some of the Bible's authors respected the book's historical veracity, however, and I value their opinion over yours or selective conclaves of Jewish and Roman Empire Church prelates.

Whether one accepts or rejects the book as divinely inspired is irrelevant to the issue anyway. The point is whether or not the book provides historical information. And again, biblical authors says that indeed it does, and that is good enough for me.