The End of the Gentile World System.

[n2thelight]

14 hours ago, other one said:

by showing himself as God, is he pretending to be Jesus, the Father,  Marduk, Baal or Apollo..... 

to a satanist Lucifer is god   actually Lucifer is the good God and the Father is the bad old dude who kept mankind in the dark....   He comes in his own name taking the place of god is the way I see it.  All the time hiding what he truly is.  that's my point of view.  i don't think he is going to be telling us that he is Jesus returning... 

Since most Christians will be deceived,I can't see him coming and telling us to worship him instead of Christ.he will say he is the Christ.

 

The heathen are already deceived,he wants the christians,and as a Christian,if you don't know that he(satan)comes first you will be deceived

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

That's the reason for the strong delusion,as one will not be judged in ignorance 

II Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness [deceit] of unrighteousness in [for] them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth," Here again deception! Scripture says he(satan)comes dressed as light,in peace You can't be forced to follow him,one will do so of their own free will II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion [send them a working of error], that they should believe a lie;" satan pretending to be Christ is the lie...It wouldnt be a lie if he wanted you to worship him as satan

 

[other one]

1 hour ago, n2thelight said:

Since most Christians will be deceived,I can't see him coming and telling us to worship him instead of Christ.he will say he is the Christ.

He is not concerned about Christians.   He doesn't have to fool us, and he couldn't in the first place for the Holy Spirit will not let that happen.   And remember that the Jews are not looking for Jesus, they are looking for thier messiah .....    if he came as Jesus they would not accept him...

Saying that he is god is not saying he is Jesus....   he's actually saying he is greater than our God....   the problem is that most people think of the trinity when they see that word god.....   it's not what the word is saying, it's saying that the guy/gal/whatever is above all things that we call god.

According to Rev. 13, he makes war with the saints and overcomes them......    not trick them into believing he is Jesus.   Them being us that is.

[n2thelight]

22 minutes ago, other one said:

He is not concerned about Christians.   He doesn't have to fool us, and he couldn't in the first place for the Holy Spirit will not let that happen.   And remember that the Jews are not looking for Jesus, they are looking for thier messiah .....    if he came as Jesus they would not accept him...

Saying that he is god is not saying he is Jesus....   he's actually saying he is greater than our God....   the problem is that most people think of the trinity when they see that word god.....   it's not what the word is saying, it's saying that the guy/gal/whatever is above all things that we call god.

According to Rev. 13, he makes war with the saints and overcomes them......    not trick them into believing he is Jesus.   Them being us that is.

The Christians are who he wants,the rest he already has.Not all Christians are of the elect and it was for them(the elect) that the time of his rule was cut short....

Also you must remember he will be supernatural,showing signs and wonders

Look at this forum for example,a Christian forum at that,how many here know the truth,from what I see a lot don't have it.The saints in Rev 13 are the elect,they are those who knew the truth before he(satan)arrives they are those who have the seal of God.

 

[SINNERSAVED]

4 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

The Christians are who he wants,the rest he already has.Not all Christians are of the elect and it was for them(the elect) that the time of his rule was cut short....

Also you must remember he will be supernatural,showing signs and wonders

Look at this forum for example,a Christian forum at that,how many here know the truth,from what I see a lot don't have it.The saints in Rev 13 are the elect,they are those who knew the truth before he(satan)arrives they are those who have the seal of God.

 

ditto,,,

[other one]

2 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

The Christians are who he wants,the rest he already has.Not all Christians are of the elect and it was for them(the elect) that the time of his rule was cut short....

Also you must remember he will be supernatural,showing signs and wonders

Look at this forum for example,a Christian forum at that,how many here know the truth,from what I see a lot don't have it.The saints in Rev 13 are the elect,they are those who knew the truth before he(satan)arrives they are those who have the seal of God.

 

Jesus told us that no one could snatch us from the Fathers hands......   no we can't be fooled.....   Jesus said that the deception was so good it could fool the Saints......   but added "if that were possible"     it is not possible to fool a born again Christian as to who the antichrist is.   It is the responsibility of the Holy Spirit to keep that from happening and if your trust is really in Jesus that just isn't going to happen.

[n2thelight]

3 minutes ago, other one said:

Jesus told us that no one could snatch us from the Fathers hands......   no we can't be fooled.....   Jesus said that the deception was so good it could fool the Saints......   but added "if that were possible"     it is not possible to fool a born again Christian as to who the antichrist is.   It is the responsibility of the Holy Spirit to keep that from happening and if your trust is really in Jesus that just isn't going to happen.

The Elect,that's what you must seperate from simply,christian...Again,not all Christians are of the elect...

[other one]

Just now, n2thelight said:

The Elect,that's what you must seperate from simply,christian...Again,not all Christians are of the elect...

then I would say that they are not Christians....   there are not Christians that are some elect.  We are all the same in Gods eyes.....

[n2thelight]

20 minutes ago, other one said:

then I would say that they are not Christians....   there are not Christians that are some elect.  We are all the same in Gods eyes.....

The elect are those whom were predestined ,chosen from the foundation of the world...

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Marilyn C,

 

11 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Well dear bro, we`ll just have to wait & see if Armageddon is soon.

I certainly hope it is soon, as it will be an indication that Christ will intervene and judge the nations that come into the Holy Land at that time.

I would like to mention one aspect of the 6^th Vial as an example of the symbols, and how these can be to some extent determined by OT language.

Revelation 16:12 (KJV): And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

 

The question arises, is this speaking of the river actually drying up, or is this symbolic language. The figure of a river and a river in flood has been used to represent a political and military power:

Isaiah 8:7-8 (KJV): 7 Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks: 8 And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.

 

This then compares the Assyrian invasion to a flood. The Assyrian did not stay in its own territory, but like a river overflows its banks and sweeps away with some force everything in its path.

 

Could the Euphrates River towards the time of the end thus represent a nation or a power? The Euphrates has its source in Turkey and for many years the Turkish Empire ruled over a large area of the Middle East and beyond. It was like a river in flood, extending its influence well outside its normal territory.

 

But there was a gradual decline, a drying up of the Turkish Empire. This started approximately in 1820, and there were then successive stages of withdrawal. A 1915 map shows the extent down into Arabia, and along the full length of the Euphrates. In 1917 the British and Commonwealth forces pushed Turkey out of these areas, and I believe that this fulfills the first part of:

Daniel 11: 40 (KJV): And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him:

 

This action by the British forces allowed the clearing of the Land to enable the partial and preliminary return of the Jews to the Holy Land. So the drying up started in 1820, and then a significant step occurred in 1917. I also believe the final step to allow the rest of the 6^th Vial is when a King of the North invades Turkey, thus completely drying up the Power previously known as “Euphrates River”.

 

I will leave this with you Marilyn. I am not asking you to definitely accept this, but this is an indication of what I believe is depicted in this particular symbol. How long we have to wait for the final stage we will have to be patient, but Russia could take over Turkey very quickly.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

 

[WilliamL]

On 5/14/2016 at 7:12 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi William,

 

Important scripture there regarding a time that -

 

`...has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.` (Matt. 24: 21)

 

So we agree that `those days` are the great tribulation which has no precedent & nothing like it again.

 

• Wars, famines, pestilences, & earthquakes, are the beginning then there will be `great tribulation,` such as has not been since ...no, nor ever.

Tribulation – Gk. `thlipsis` pressure, affliction, trouble, tribulation.

 

What we don`t agree on, is the `wrath of God` time. So ......looking at some of the bowls, -

 

• The sea became blood & every living creature in the sea died.

• The rivers & springs became blood.

• The world became darkness.

• Every island fled away & the mountains were not found.  (Rev. 16: 3, 4, 10, 21)

 

Do you think those bowls have ever happened before or will again?

 

Marilyn.

            

Irrelevant to the point. Right now the population of the world is the greatest it has ever been, or likely ever will be. And suddenly, civil order will collapse into chaos and anarchy and warlord-ism and gruesome GMO-plagues never before seen. The crying out of all the world's souls in their tribulation will be beyond anything "since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor shall ever be." Billions will die in short order, most through some kind of suffering

In contrast, by the time of the Bowls, the world will have been massively depopulated, and the total quantitative suffering of souls will be much less. Mass consciousness has a power of its own, and it is largely dependent upon its numbers.