Is there really a rapture?

[missmuffet]

11 hours ago, DARRELX said:

I am more inclined to believe that there is no rapture like in the Left Behind books but that when Jesus returns then the world is destroyed. 

2 Peter  3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

It sounds like you are Post trib.

 

 

[kwikphilly]

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"As it was in the days of Noah" is an allusion to how people will be completely oblivious to impending judgement (which is true right now).  As to who is taken and who is left, Noah was "taken" out of the flood waters while within the Ark, and the evil-doers were left behind. Lot was forcibly taken out of Sodom, and the evildoers were left-behind. Enoch was translated from earth to Heaven, and he typifies the Church

My favorite reply,Amen! Besides,taken out of context the verses referred to can mean anything but what they are truly about "readiness"

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36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark.…                                                                              Matthew 24

It really is not about being "left behind" it is about being ready for Christs return

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…35Therefore keep watch, because you do not know when the master of the house will return—whether in the evening, at midnight, when the rooster crows, or in the morning. 36Otherwise, he may arrive without notice and find you sleeping. 37And what I say to you, I say to everyone: Keep watch!”     Mark 13

 

[RustyAngeL]

On 6/22/2016 at 11:12 AM, Out of the Shadows said:

That is one possible interpretation of the associated passages, a very popular in our country but less so in other parts of Christendom. 

The Bible says what it says.  It is not open to interpretation. 

[RustyAngeL]

2 hours ago, missmuffet said:

It sounds like you are Post trib.

 

 

There is going to be 7 years of tribulation, with plagues,  disasters, earthquakes, and the Antichrist will be in full power.  He will declare that he is God and many will be deceived.

[Running Gator]

1 hour ago, RustyAngeL said:

The Bible says what it says.  It is not open to interpretation. 

If that were the case there would not be three permanent threads on this forum discussing the different interpretations of the end times.   If it were true there would not be the age old debate between Calvinism and Arminianism, and there would not be more denominations than one can count. 

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, RustyAngeL said:

There is going to be 7 years of tribulation, with plagues,  disasters, earthquakes, and the Antichrist will be in full power.  He will declare that he is God and many will be deceived.

Yes that is true but the Church will not be on the earth at that time. They will have gone to be with the Lord before the tribulation occurred. The Church will not suffer God's wrath.

[Omegaman 3.0]

On 6/22/2016 at 2:43 PM, missmuffet said:

Epharaem the Syrian said, in 373 AD, "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

I have to agree with others here, that this quotation, is lifted out of context. Most likely the source quoted was Grrant Jeffries, or Rapture Ready, or one of the other perpetrators of manufactured history through selective quotes outside of context.

Some people have an agenda, and cannot be trusted. I have to agree with  Ezra here, it is best to stick to the Bible. Even if Epharaem had actually meant what what is quoted (and he did not), the opinions of some writer nearly 400 A.D. is hardly  proof of anything.

To the O.P., yes, most pre-trib rapture references outside of the Bible, almost all, came from Europe first, then the U.S., that is a fact of modern eschatology,

However, the doctrine of the catching up of believers to be with the Lord, is solidly discovered in scripture, of that there is no doubt.

[missmuffet]

2 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

I have to agree with others here, that this quotation, is lifted out of context. Most likely the source quoted was Grrant Jeffries, or Rapture Ready, or one of the other perpetrators of manufactured history through selective quotes outside of context.

Some people have an agenda, and cannot be trusted. I have to agree with  Ezra here, it is best to stick to the Bible. Even if Epharaem had actually meant what what is quoted (and he did not), the opinions of some writer nearly 400 A.D. is hardly  proof of anything.

To the O.P., yes, most pre-trib rapture references outside of the Bible, almost all, came from Europe first, then the U.S., that is a fact of modern eschatology,

However, the doctrine of the catching up of believers to be with the Lord, is solidly discovered in scripture, of that there is no doubt.

As you choose.

[Steve_S]

39 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Yes that is true but the Church will not be on the earth at that time. They will have gone to be with the Lord before the tribulation occurred. The Church will not suffer God's wrath.

What scripture differentiates the "church" from the saints mentioned as being present in revelation?

[Omegaman 3.0]

9 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

As you choose.

Well, as I recall missmuffet, some have said things in the past, to the effect that they get their doctrine from the bible, and they beleive it literally. Here, some are getting their doctrine from a non biblical source, and even get that wrong, because they do not do their research.

Then, the only comment I had for the O.P. was that the Rapture is a biblical doctrine, so it is hard for be to ever wonder what your comment: "As you choose" is even referring to. Do as you wish, but maybe say something of substance, rather that just finding  way to insert a stance without even having anything to say.

Things like "time will tell" contributes little, and we get it, time will tell!