How are you born again?

Sister · October 10, 2016

7 hours ago, eileenhat said:

With Legalese?

That is jargon for admiralty law.

I've done court cases.

There is the preponderance of evidence issue.

I view it as a way (fighting with the idea of winning people with definitions) to get a mind to forget his true roots, which lay in God and a spirit re-born rather than the works of man (which lead to Satan).

eileenhat

It's simple. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Just like the Israelites walked through the desert towards the promised land, and many did not reach their destination because of unbelief and rebellion, they were refused entry, it's the same today, but our walk is a spiritual walk. Our promised land is the Kingdom of God and we receive that at the end of our journey if we make it to the end. If we make it to the end, we will be in that resurrection.

We are not speaking of admiralty law, we are speaking of God's law. This law says that one cannot enter heaven until he has received his change -from flesh to spirit. To be walking in "the spirit" is not the same as being physically changed as in the resurrection. The resurrection is the proof, one walked in the spirit of Christ. In the resurrection we will be perfected. Born again. This time, the second time not born of flesh, but born out of the spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

Sister · October 11, 2016

6 hours ago, Willa said:

Sister, you are confusing the Kingdom of God which is what Nikodemus spoke of, and the Kingdom of Heaven as you spoke of more correctly in this your second post. Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is within you. It has to do with surrendering our lives to God and accepting His Lordship over us as King of our lives. In some places they are spoken of as one, but in this case the Heavenly Kingdom is not being referred to as being born again of the Holy Spirit.

Thank you Willa.

There is no difference between the Kingdom of God, and the Kingdom of heaven, it's the same. God's Kingdom is the Kingdom of heaven, it's his Kingdom. This kingdom also has a name and is called Zion, it's even called Holy Jerusalem, Heavenly Jerusalem, or the City of Truth and probably a few more that I can't think of right now.

By accepting God through Christ, yes we spiritually "dwell" in the kingdom by following those laws given to us, through reading and learning how to travel the straight road, so that we can become "heirs" to this Kingdom......but we are not physically there yet are we?. We have not received our change, our reward yet?,....we cannot enter that realm because flesh is flesh, and spirit is spirit. We cannot travel up and down to heaven yet. Two different worlds. Flesh cannot do this, only spirit can.

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John 3 went on to say

Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Joh 3:7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' Joh 3:8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."

The Holy Spirit has a mind of His own. He knows when hearts are sincere and surrendered. Jesus told His disciples that He would send them another Comforter or Advocate and He couldn't do so until He had returned to the Father. Joh 16:7 ESV Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. So, as Kwikfilly has said, it is likely that no-one had received the Holy Spirit or been Born Again until the day of Pentecost when the church was born. It is true that after His resurrection He had breathed on the disciples and instructed them to receive the Holy Spirit. But He also instructed them to wait until the Holy Spirit had come upon them and they would receive power to witness about Him. On Pentecost they were filled with the Holy Spirit, He came upon them, and they were born again so that the Spirit dwelled in them permanently, sealing and adopting them as God's own people.

Yes but you are speaking of the holy spirit.

Being "born" of "spirit" is different,....It's speaking of the resurrection. It's what comes last. Being born "again", the second time. This time not of flesh which corrupts, but born into the world this time in a different way,....born spirit which is perfect. This is after our walk, and our prize at the end, ....everlasting life in a new body that will never corrupt, joined by our spirit that was preserved for this day.

HAZARD · October 11, 2016

On ‎10‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 0:44 AM, Awakelive said:

For years this question has evaded me. Id like to see it explained sensibly, remembering that a fact is a truth which can be shown to be true, shown to have happened, or shown to exist, so no guessing or opinions or theories please.

Just as in a trial court you must have supporting evidence that would convince a reasonable person.

The bible created the issue, so dont tell me what Luther or Olsteen said about it, show me the biblical line of reasoning confirming the matter.

Make me know it is true by the word. Good luck.

Good luck? So your supposing the Word of God has no answer to your question. Her is the truth by God's Word, just for you

Both the Devil and God have desires of their own, of which men become partakers when they serve one or the other (John 8:44; 1 John 3:8; 2 Peter 1:4).

If the old lusts are from Satan and the new lusts are from God, then this fact proves that sin is the spirit and nature of the devil working in sons of disobedience, and that righteousness is the Spirit and nature of God working in the sons of obedience.

A believe is made "dead indeed unto sin" and "freed from sin" when he becomes a new creature. But he does not become dead to, or freed from his original body, soul, and spirit. Every original part of man was created sinless, and sin could not be a part of mans own being (Romans 5:12-21; 6:5-22; 8:1-13). Death to, and freedom from sin refer to being free from the person of the devil and his spirit that took control of man at the time of the fall.

Christ "died unto sin once," to "take away sin" and to "put away sin," but He did not die to do away with any part of mans bodily members, soul passions, and spirit faculties, for they themselves were originally created sinless (Romans 6:10; John 1:29; Hebrews 7:27; 9:12, 26). The whole man becomes sinless when one becomes a new creature in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17) If he stays one (and he can), he continues in a sinless life (Colossians 2:6-7; 1 John 2:1-2, 29; 3:8-10; 5:1-5, 18).

By reckoning the "old man" dead and the "new man" alive: "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace" (Romans 6:11-14).

How could anyone reckon himself dead to something that was not constantly present to deal with? When a believe becomes dead to sin and alive to God, he no longer lives after the flesh and in sin and under the power and dominion of Satan. He will still have to "reckon" himself dead to sin, and this proves the "old man" or the devil is still present to deal with.

Men are told to "put off" the old man and to "put on" the new man (Romans 6:6 Ephesians 4:22-24; Colossians 3:5-10) The new man is the body, soul, and spirit of man delivered from sin and Satan and renewed, "born again," after the image of God (2 Corinthians 3:18; 5:17; Galatians 6:15; Ephesians 2:8-10; Colossians 3:3-4; 2 Peter 1:4; 1 John 1:7-9; 3:8-10). It is Christ formed in one and the individual transformed into the image of Christ (Romans 8:29; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Galatians 3"27-29; 4:19; 5:25). Sin is the old man that must be "put off," and righteousness is the new man that must be "put on."

John 3:3, Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again,1 he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:7, Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.2

1 Peter 1:23, Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

John 3:4, Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

V.5, Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

V. 6, That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.