1Thes.4 = Day of the Lord

[iamlamad]

Wailing Wall wrote,

DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY.

At the 1Cor15 event “death is swallowed up in victory”. It happens only once.

It is true that this 1 Cor. 15 event will happen only once, for that will be at the pretrib rapture of the church, when God raises His bride. But "death swallowed up in victory" will happen first with the New Testament Bride, and then later with the Old Testament saints (who were NOT "in Christ" while they lived.

[iamlamad]

Wailing Wall wrote,

No more tears. No one will be raptured off to heaven. When we are changed in the twinkling of an eye, we meet the Lord in the air and its off to the kingdom rest with Jesus. So now we know where we are going at the so called “rapture” event.

You can miss the awesome flight to heaven that will take place at the pretrib rapture if you choose, but as for me and my house, we will FLY! I will get to see my mansion. I will get to see JESUS. I will get to see the throne room in heaven. (See Rev. 7)

By the way, Jesus can certainly wipe away tears more than once.

[n2thelight]

On 3/18/2017 at 2:23 PM, iamlamad said:

"The Day of the Lord is His 2nd and only return,which starts at the 7th and last trump,then after that day,we shall have the Day of God"

YOu have escaped reality in three directions! There IS NO COMING at the 7th trumpet: that is myth. He will come the second time FOR His saints, and a third time WITH His saints. And the Day of the Lord begins right where John wrote it: at the 6th seal.

 

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Where is the 3rd time in scripture?

satan comes at the 6th seal trump and vial

Christ returns at the 7th seal trump and vial

 

[iamlamad]

7 hours ago, n2thelight said:

 

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Where is the 3rd time in scripture?

satan comes at the 6th seal trump and vial

Christ returns at the 7th seal trump and vial

 

You are reading into this scripture what is NOT THERE. Have you ever gone to a "closing" and signed a stack of papers to purchase a house? It is at the closing that the property is TRANSFERRED from one owner to another.  This transfer of ownership is never done at the property being purchased; it is done somewhere else. All this scripture tells us is that the ownership or really ruler-ship of the world has changed: Satan lost and Jesus gained the kingdoms of the world.

The third time is clearly shown in Rev. 19. It will be after the days of great tribulation. But now you will ask, "then where is His second coming? And I would answer, 1 thes. 4 & 5.

 

When you write, "seal, trump and vial" I know immediately we have a problem.

Axiom on Revelation:

ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.

The seals, trumpets and vials are SEQUENTIAL, not concurrent.  Did you not see where the 7th seal must be opened before the 7 angels with the trumpets can sound?

"Satan comes"   What? Satan has been, is, and will be (until the 7th trumpet) the god of this present world. He has never left, so impossible for him to "come." What scriptures are you reading to come up with this stuff?

John CLEARLY shows us His coming in Rev. 19. This is AFTER the 70th week has finished and over course AFTER the days of GT that come during the 70th week.  Stop rearranging the book! It is right as it is written!

[WailingWall]

On 3/18/2017 at 2:29 PM, iamlamad said:

By the way, Jesus can certainly wipe away tears more than once.

Uhhh.. How?

REVELATION 21[3]And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, BEHOLD, THE TABERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, AND HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.[4]And God shall WIPE AWAY ALL TEARS from their eyes;

If He wipes away ALL TEARS. How does He do this again if He wiped away ALL tears already?

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, WailingWall said:

Uhhh.. How?

REVELATION 21[3]And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, BEHOLD, THE TABERNACLE OF GOD IS WITH MEN, AND HE WILL DWELL WITH THEM, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.[4]And God shall WIPE AWAY ALL TEARS from their eyes;

 

If He wipes away ALL TEARS. How does He do this again if He wiped away ALL tears already?

If He does it again and again, is He not still wiping away "all" tears? People may shed tears of joy. People may cry just because they made it to heaven. All will not arrive at the same time.  Is this speaking of NOW, or after the rapture when billions enter heaven, or perhaps not until the Millennial reign of Christ?

Perhaps you are right:

⁴ And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

It seems this will be both in the Holy City and on the earth also. John wrote, " Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, so wherever men are, there He will be; on the new earth or in the Holy City.

Today it is a continuing process (wiping away tears). Then it will be once and for all time. Agree now?

 

[Limey_Bob]

On 2/8/2017 at 2:39 PM, WailingWall said:

 

“¹Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, ² for you know very well that the DAY OF THE LORD will come like a thief in the night. ³ While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labour pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.” (1^st Thessalonians 5:1-3).

 

This day of the Lord refers to the second coming of Jesus Christ, in glory, his physical ant literal return to this world which will bring judgment upon the wicked. The phrase “day of the Lord” (1^st Thessalonians 5:2), refers to the second coming, when Christ at the consummation of all things descends from heaven in a noisy and very public event, with a “shout” and “trumpet” (1^st Thessalonians 4:16), which disproves the idea of a quiet, secret and hidden “rapture.” This Thessalonians passage, also echoes Zephaniah 1:14-17 from the Old Testament, in that this passage too, is a noisy, extremely visible day with much distress and great physical destruction! Which refutes the idea of some quiet, secret hidden rapture:

 

“¹⁴ The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry bitterly. ¹⁵ That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a clouds and thick darkness, ¹⁶ A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. ¹⁷ And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the Lord: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.” (Zephaniah 1:14-17).

[Daniel 11:36]

The day of the Lord is a time related factor in which many things will take place

First He will call for those who belong to Him and immortalize them [1 Corinthians 15:20-23; 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Revelation 3:10; 7:9-17; 18:4]

Then He will bring His wrath and judgment upon an unbelieving world [Revelation 6:12-17]

This judgment will last for a prescribed 2520 days plus 30 days 

Then He will separate all of those mortals who survive, those found believing will enter and populate His millennial kingdom upon the earth [Matthew 24:29-31; Matthew 25:31-46]

And then He will judge all  of the dead and send them to His lake of fire [Revelation 20:11-15]

Then His eternal kingdom will begin without end [Revelation 21]

 

  

 

 

[Limey_Bob]

On 2/9/2017 at 8:08 PM, missmuffet said:

Question: "What is the day of the Lord?"

Answer: The phrase “day of the Lord” usually identifies events that take place at the end of history (Isaiah 7:18-25) and is often closely associated with the phrase “that day.” One key to understanding these phrases is to note that they always identify a span of time during which God personally intervenes in history, directly or indirectly, to accomplish some specific aspect of His plan.

Most people associate the day of the Lord with a period of time or a special day that will occur when God’s will and purpose for His world and for mankind will be fulfilled. Some scholars believe that the day of the Lord will be a longer period of time than a single day—a period of time when Christ will reign throughout the world before He cleanses heaven and earth in preparation for the eternal state of all mankind. Other scholars believe the day of the Lord will be an instantaneous event when Christ returns to earth to redeem His faithful believers and send unbelievers to eternal damnation.

The phrase “the day of the Lord” is used nineteen times in the Old Testament (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and five times in the New Testament (Acts 2:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

The Old Testament passages dealing with the day of the Lord often convey a sense of imminence, nearness, and expectation: “Wail, for the day of the Lord is near!” (Isaiah 13:6); “For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near” (Ezekiel 30:3); “Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming. It is close at hand” (Joel 2:1); “Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision” (Joel 3:14); “Be silent before the Lord God! For the day of the Lord is near” (Zephaniah 1:7). This is because the Old Testament passages referring to the day of the Lord often speak of both a near and a far fulfillment, as does much of Old Testament prophecy. Some Old Testament passages that refer to the day of the Lord describe historical judgments that have already been fulfilled in some sense (Isaiah 13:6-22; Ezekiel 30:2-19; Joel 1:15, 3:14; Amos 5:18-20; Zephaniah 1:14-18), while others refers to divine judgments that will take place toward the end of the age (Joel 2:30-32; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:1, 5).

The New Testament calls it a day of “wrath,” a day of “visitation,” and the “great day of God Almighty” (Revelation 16:14) and refers to a still future fulfillment when God’s wrath is poured out on unbelieving Israel (Isaiah 22; Jeremiah 30:1-17; Joel 1-2; Amos 5; Zephaniah 1) and on the unbelieving world (Ezekiel 38–39; Zechariah 14). The Scriptures indicate that “the day of the Lord” will come quickly, like a thief in the night (Zephaniah 1:14-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:2), and therefore Christians must be watchful and ready for the coming of Christ at any moment.

Besides being a time of judgment, it will also be a time of salvation as God will deliver the remnant of Israel, fulfilling His promise that “all of Israel will be saved” (Romans 11:26), forgiving their sins and restoring His chosen people to the land He promised to Abraham (Isaiah 10:27; Jeremiah 30:19-31, 40; Micah 4; Zechariah 13). The final outcome of the day of the Lord will be that “the arrogance of man will be brought low and the pride of men humbled; the Lord alone will be exalted in that day” (Isaiah 2:17). The ultimate or final fulfillment of the prophecies concerning the day of the Lord will come at the end of history when God, with wondrous power, will punish evil and fulfill all His promises.

https://www.gotquestions.org/day-of-the-Lord.html

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[missmuffet]

6 hours ago, Limey_Bob said:

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