Your Not Allowed To Be Poor

[Neighbor]

11 hours ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said:

"For the poor will never cease from the land; therefore I command you, saying,
‘You shall open your hand wide to your brother, to your poor and your needy, in your land.’" - Deuteronomy 15:11

Hi, May call you Password for short?

Thanks for posting the fuller  near context of the thought. Yes there is a "so" that is the conclusion or action to be taken that is the the point of the fact.

The point being  "you" shall...  not you can you may,  you should, but YOU SHALL,- open your hand in sharing of what  God has  made to be your provision. hey that's me I shall open my hand, not the government shall open it's hand or shall open my hand for my. But I shall open my hand and I shall help the poor the needy etc.

 

But hey I too am somewhat poor it seems, if I compare what  real financial capacity is as I say the  truly rich around me.

But then God did not ask me what I think my  status  is in comparison to others did He? He has said that I am to share. Not wait until I do win that Powerball Lottery, but instead share  and evidently now. It then doesn't matter what others do or what the government mishandles in my opinion. There is no excuse for me . I must share if I am to be in obedience and be so  in my heart as well as my pockets I must practice generosity in all things that I do  and with all things thta I have acquired as "mine".

 I suspect tha the more time I spent decrying the injustices of the systems of welfare I  am simply losing time in which i could be  doing what God wills of me- I shall share. As my Lord did and said, I too must be about the business of my Father.

There is even fuller context to the verse  quoted, which I shall study  and study anew, for no  "verse" stands alone.

THANKS AGAIN!

"The Sabbatical Year

15 “At the end of every seven years you shall grant a release. 2 And this is the manner of the release: every creditor shall release what he has lent to his neighbor. He shall not exact it of his neighbor, his brother, because the Lord's release has been proclaimed. 3 Of a foreigner you may exact it, but whatever of yours is with your brother your hand shall release. 4 But there will be no poor among you; for the Lord will bless you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance to possess— 5 if only you will strictly obey the voice of the Lord your God, being careful to do all this commandment that I command you today. 6 For the Lord your God will bless you, as he promised you, and you shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow, and you shall rule over many nations, but they shall not rule over you.

7 “If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, 8 but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. 9 Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the Lord against you, and you be guilty of sin.10 You shall give to him freely, and your heart shall not be grudging when you give to him, because for this the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake. 11 For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

12 “If your brother, a Hebrew man or a Hebrew woman, is sold to you, he shall serve you six years, and in the seventh year you shall let him go free from you.13 And when you let him go free from you, you shall not let him go empty-handed.14 You shall furnish him liberally out of your flock, out of your threshing floor, and out of your winepress. As the Lord your God has blessed you, you shall give to him. 15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God redeemed you; therefore I command you this today. 16 But if he says to you, ‘I will not go out from you,’ because he loves you and your household, since he is well-off with you, 17 then you shall take an awl, and put it through his ear into the door, and he shall be your slave[c] forever. And to your female slave you shall do the same. 18 It shall not seem hard to you when you let him go free from you, for at half the cost of a hired worker he has served you six years. So the Lord your God will bless you in all that you do.

19 “All the firstborn males that are born of your herd and flock you shall dedicate to the Lord your God. You shall do no work with the firstborn of your herd, nor shear the firstborn of your flock. 20 You shall eat it, you and your household, before the Lord your God year by year at the place that the Lord will choose. 21 But if it has any blemish, if it is lame or blind or has any serious blemish whatever, you shall not sacrifice it to the Lord your God. 22 You shall eat it within your towns. The unclean and the clean alike may eat it, as though it were a gazelle or a deer.23 Only you shall not eat its blood; you shall pour it out on the ground like water."

 

 

Edited July 19, 2017 by Neighbor

[4LdKHVCzRDj2]

2 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

But hey I too am somewhat poor it seems, if I compare what  real financial capacity is as I say the  truly rich around me.

I was reading some research data these days, and it showed that the richer the people are, the less they share with others. I suspected this was true already, and now it is confirmed.

 

While the rich will not give to the point of having nothing to spend on his luxurious pleasures, the poor will give and end up with nothing:

"So He said, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all;
for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings for God,
but she out of her poverty put in all the livelihood that she had.”" - Luke 21:3-4

 

"He who has a generous eye will be blessed,
For he gives of his bread to the poor." - Proverbs 22:9

 

"But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need,
and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?" - 1 John 3:17

 

"Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin." - James 4:17

 

It truly is something we all should think about.

Thank God!

[Heleadethme]

Thank you brothers, wonderful rich truth there....amen.

2 Corinthians 8:12-15

For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:

But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

 

[Neighbor]

33 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said:

I was reading some research data these days, and it showed that the richer the people are, the less they share with others. I suspected this was true already, and now it is confirmed.

 

While the rich will not give to the point of having nothing to spend on his luxurious pleasures, the poor will give and end up with nothing:

"So He said, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all;
for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings for God,
but she out of her poverty put in all the livelihood that she had.”" - Luke 21:3-4

 

"He who has a generous eye will be blessed,
For he gives of his bread to the poor." - Proverbs 22:9

 

"But whoever has this world’s goods, and sees his brother in need,
and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?" - 1 John 3:17

 

"Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin." - James 4:17

 

It truly is something we all should think about.

Thank God!

Yep, and act upon again and again and again so that it is first nature with me. Something that does not require much delay in thought but  more a this is what  is to be done here and now. Done! Not a plan of how is to be done, by  "Church", by "government", not a five year plan of economics, just do it.  For it is to be done,  it is the; I shall do's of life as a saint in Christ Jesus. - done to His honor and for His Glory, in appreciation and of love for what He has  done to this body mind and soul-

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2017 by Neighbor

[Wayne222]

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Dennis1209 said:

Just my 2 cents...

Government has replaced churches, community and charity with forced socialism. No matter your race, religion or background, we all have the same opportunity for success via free public school and a myriad of support and opportunities out there. There are countless minorities who have become rich and successful, so let's not use race as an obstacle. Instead of using child bearing as a sport of pleasure and means of more welfare money (loss of natural affection), it's not societies responsibility to raise and support others uncaring and bad decisions of financial and moral responsibility for a child's welfare and support.

But, it's not the child's fault! No it's not, it's the progenitor's fault and responsibility falls on the parents and family. The government doesn't produce one barrel of oil or one bushel of wheat, it takes from the productive and distributes it to the politicians choice for votes. That diminishes my ability to provide for myself and my own family. 

Charity is called charity for a reason. In no instance has socialism ever been a success or lasted. I know, we just haven't tried the right kind of socialism yet... To give a society everything they want, by necessity must take everything you have to pay for it. I won't go into bread and circuses. 

To sum it up. Poverty is self inflicted in this country by lack of pride, morals, ethics, and plain old laziness. 

You sound a little like Jobs friends. I bet some people are poor because of things not there fault. Sometimes it is because of what said. But not always. 

[notsolostsoul]

"MAN" has a way of wanting to control everything. Even the poor or how they should be poor. It is sad.

[enoob57]

The greatest freedom God has given me is not to love the things of this world... but love the place where I am going more than the one I am at... working this out in day to day living causes people to consider me an idiot...  

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, enoob57 said:

The greatest freedom God has given me is not to love the things of this world... but love the place where I am going more than the one I am at... working this out in day to day living causes people to consider me an idiot...  

Idiot savant perhaps. 

There is such joy in being the fool for Christ Jesus, and having the  security of life with God for all eternity. Let the wise that reject the foolish message of Jesus' gospel die in their wisdom.  May many be found innocent of such wisdom, and instead superior in the foolishness of the gospel  truth of Jesus, that faith of Jesus, so that  through God's grace and mercy many will have eternal life with God!

Edited July 20, 2017 by Neighbor

[enoob57]

9 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Idiot savant perhaps. 

There is such joy in being the fool for Christ Jesus, and having the  security of life with God for all eternity. Let the wise that reject the foolish message of Jesus' gospel die in their wisdom.  May many be found innocent of such wisdom, and instead superior in the foolishness of the gospel  truth of Jesus, that faith of Jesus, so that  through God's grace and mercy many will have eternal life with God!

 

[Behold]

Being really poor is slow torture.

The bible says that "poverty is the destruction of the poor" and i say that Poverty has harmed more already then riches ever will.

I often wonder about people i see who are living on the street.  After all, they didnt begin there, and yet, here they are...

What happened?..... As certainly at one point nearly all of them had a better life, and maybe a home, and opportunities, and success.....Yet, here they are now with the sleeping bag and the tobacco for breakfast and the impossible life.

What i try to do is remember that no matter why they are there, its a HARD LIFE, and we should give to them every time.

Recently i was looking at a young man on the street, who was leaning against the side of my local WalMart Superstore.  He had a beard, was wearing  moccasins and fatigues.    I drove up near him and waved him over and tried to hand him a bit of cash and he didnt want to take it.   So, i insisted, and told him  "it'll make me feel good for you to have it"....  And that is a perfectly legitimate point, as it's not only true, its scriptural...."its more blessed to give then to receive".

I invite you to take every opportunity you can to give money to all the poor in your city, (when given the opportunity)=  no matter what. = Proverbs 19:17

We are the most like God, when we give.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Behold