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Scriptural proof for the pre-trib rapture of the Church

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1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

I totally believe in the pre- tribulation Rapture and it's seen in many places in scripture.

But here's one thing that's never been explained to my satisfaction.

Luk 21:36  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. [emphasis mine]

Taken in context to whom Jesus is talking to, I'm wondering what this verse is telling us?

Anyone? Anyone?

Escape =/= pretrib rapture

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2 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Sorry, but we must rely upon scriptural evidence

I'm all ears.  Please explain how what I said wasn't scriptural.

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23 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Escape =/= pretrib rapture

Explain with scripture please.

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9 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Precisely.  I can agree with that.  Here is the last:

Then the Lord will appear over them,
And His arrow will go forth like lightning;
And the Lord God will blow the trumpet,
And will march in the storm winds of the south.  Zechariah 9:14

Yes, you quoted Zech.9:14, which is the prophetic time frame of Jesus second coming, when He will figyht the battle of Armageddon against the two beasts, i.e. the Antichrist, the False Prophet and the ten horns/nations, described in Rev.19:11-21.

Seven years prior to Jesus second Coming, is another reference to the trumpet call of God, when Jesus comes of Hid Church, in 1 Thess.4:16:

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

 

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9 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I didn't put words in your mouth.  I asked you a question.  You referenced a passage that had nothing to do with the sounding of a trumpet and then excluded the entire OT with this post:

Since the last trumpet of God isn't clarified in the NT, and you exclude the OT, and then refer to a passage that has no trumpet, what other choices are there?

The new covenant is in the OT.  Pentecost is in the OT and quoted in Acts.  Do you realize how many OT quotes are in the NT?  Dispensationalism is not your friend.  There is no "church age".  There is a point in time when the new covenant began.  The new covenant is eternal.

You labor under false pretenses.  The New Covenant was prophecied in Jer.31:31-34 and was not fulfilled until so done by Jesus, as recorded in Lk.22:20, through His shed blood and death on the cross.  Not before.  Pentecost took pace in the NT, recorded in Acrs 2:1-3.  It was the foundation of the Church.  None of which took place anywhere in the OT.  I teach from the Bible, not dispensationalism.  As for the New Covenant theology, the Bible DOES NOT teach any such thing as the Church being Israel.  FYI, I am a qualified Bible teacher, let me see the Scriptures you base your claims on.

 

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15 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I totally believe in the pre- tribulation Rapture and it's seen in many places in scripture.

But here's one thing that's never been explained to my satisfaction.

Luk 21:36  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. [emphasis mine]

Taken in context to whom Jesus is talking to, I'm wondering what this verse is telling us?

Anyone? Anyone?

Jesus had just given His Olivet Discourse to a Israeli crowd that had gathered to hear Him.  The context of His message was an amlification of Dan.9:27, covering the final 3.5 years of the 7 year tribulation.  His remarkwas specifically addressed to Israel, because the Church did not exist then, because the Holy Spirit/fulfillment of the New Covenant, had not yet arrived, nor taken place yet, according to JN.7:39 AND lK.22:20, until at Pentecost, ten days after Jesus ascended into heaven, recorded in Acts 1:9 and 2:1-3.

 

 As such, Jesus remark in: Luk 21:36  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man:" Is being counted worthy of escaping the tribulation, He told them about in His Olivet Discourse, through belief and trust in Him, that He was/is who and what He said He was/is, the Son of God, who will give whoever believes in Him, eternal life, He promised, in Jn.3:16.

 

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12 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

I will argue no further.

I will just state that one cannot have a very good understanding of anything in isolation. To grasp the NT one must know the OT. When the disciples taught every Sabbath after our Lord ascended, they used the Torah, and slowly added letters and epistles that later became the NT.

God gave us this: HIS-STORY. It is complete and relevant - all of it. Yeshua, THE WORD made sure that the words we need are included and and not controversial or of any private interpretation. None are obsolete. No doctrine can stand against Yahweh and what His WORD reveals. The Truth of Yahweh is revealed by Holy Spirit thru the understanding of what He said and what He meant. It is not complicated; anyone may understand it clearly.

God gave us His story in the OP also.  As you know, opinion is of no value at all when attempting to field an argument against the Scriptures that refute the views you hold to.

 

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23 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The Church has departed before the seven year tribulation and the book of Revelation. I think those who go in the rapture of the Church will be blessed.

Amen!

 

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2 minutes ago, Quasar93 said:

Amen!

 

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One thing I have always wondered Quasar. Do you think that God will have an angel escort each and everyone of us to be with Him at the rapture? To make sure we get there safely because Satan isn't going to like it.

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22 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

One thing I have always wondered Quasar. Do you think that God will have an angel escort each and everyone of us to be with Him at the rapture? To make sure we get there safely because Satan isn't going to like it.

LOL.  I really don't believe that will take place at the time Jesus makes a personl visit for that occasion Himself, in 1 Thess.4:16-17.  However, that is a fact when believers die physically, and an angel takes the spirit/soul of that person to Jesus, in heaven.  Such as illustrated in Lk.16:19-24.

 

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