Just How Close is the RAPTURE?

[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"Yes the middle of the week, but not exactly half way"

 

Exactly half way

Hi Daniel,

Yes in the middle of the trib. Sorry I was looking at it from the cleansing point, which is 30 days further on.

 

 

Marilyn.

 

 

[Larry 2]

6 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Larry,

The Treaty starts the trib, (Dan. 9: 27) and then there are 7 months and 10 days (220 days) where Israel cleanses the land from all the bodies from the Russian war. (Ez. 39: 12). Israel has to cleanse the land before they can start their sacrifices. Then there will be 2,300 days in which the Abomination occurs and finally the cleansing of the Temple.

Hope that is clearer.

Marilyn.

Dear sister Marilyn, are you speaking of the battle of Armageddon? To me that begins at the time the antichrist is overthrown, and he and the false prophet is thrown into the lake of fire; not at the beginning of the tribulation. And then to me the 2300 days begin 30 days prior to the sacrifice being taken away until 250 days before the end of the 2520 days when Jesus is revealed as Israel's king, and that nation is born ot once in Isa 66:8.  

[Marilyn C]

19 minutes ago, Larry 2 said:

Dear sister Marilyn, are you speaking of the battle of Armageddon? To me that begins at the time the antichrist is overthrown, and he and the false prophet is thrown into the lake of fire; not at the beginning of the tribulation. And then to me the 2300 days begin 30 days prior to the sacrifice being taken away until 250 days before the end of the 2520 days when Jesus is revealed as Israel's king, and that nation is born ot once in Isa 66:8.  

Hi Larry,

I am referring to the up coming war with the Russian Federation, Iran, Ethiopia and Libya, (Ez. 39: 5) which will be before the trib. Some of those nations are already on Israel`s door step!

Marilyn.

[Larry 2]

1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Larry,

I am referring to the up coming war with the Russian Federation, Iran, Ethiopia and Libya, (Ez. 39: 5) which will be before the trib. Some of those nations are already on Israel`s door step!

Marilyn.

Dear sister, your thinking on Eze 39:7 sounds an awful lot like that of Middletown Bible Church at  http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/proph/ezek38.htm . To me their thinking is based on supposition such as the statement “If the invasion of Ezekiel 38-39 takes place before the tribulation . . .”

Joel Richardson says that the word Gog is simply another word for AntiChrist at https://joelstrumpet.com/when-does-the-gog-magog-invasion-take-place/ . I personally  believe this all begins 250 days before the millennium when the antiChrist is overthrown.

Could this actually be Rev 9:1  And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. (This is Satan)

Rev 9:2  And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Rev 9:16  And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: (This is an army of two hundred million against Israel)

Isn’t this the same Satan falling from heaven we see in Rev 12:7  And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:8  And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:17  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Now in Rev 12:6  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. (this is at the middle of the tribulation, and thus the battle would be after that sometime later wouldn’t it?

Thanks.

[Steve Conley]

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

The rapture is at least 4 years away.

The temple in Jerusalem must be rebuilt. The daily sacrifice and oblation must be re-instituted. The week must begin with the confirming of the covenant by many. The beginning of sorrows must take place (seals 1-3). The Beast must be revealed. The great tribulation must begin. There must be a notable apostacia (departure from the faith). Elijah must have come and turned the hearts of the fathers to the children and so on. Only then will the rapture be imminent (it could happen any day. Notice that I didn't say "any moment"). The rapture could happen any day at that point but it will not surprise us, because when we see the cosmic sign (the sun, moon, and stars go dark) we are told to look up and lift up our heads for our redemption draweth nigh. Those of us who have survived the great tribulation will be watching the skies for Him coming in the clouds with His holy angels. He is our blessed hope.

Hallelujah

[Daniel 11:36]

"Those of us who have survived the great tribulation will be watching the skies for Him coming in the clouds with His holy angels. He is our blessed hope"

 

Is He really your blessed hope?

 

[Steve Conley]

4 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"Those of us who have survived the great tribulation will be watching the skies for Him coming in the clouds with His holy angels. He is our blessed hope"

 

Is He really your blessed hope?

 

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Daniel 11:36, Absolutely, Jesus Christ in all His glory is my happy, confident expectation. The catching up is just a footnote of Christ's coming (parousia). It is He that we look for not the catching up, not the great escape. It is Christ and Him alone.

Heb 9:28  So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

You speak as though you are looking for Him, yet you believe He will snatch you away like a thief, unawares. You profess that there are no signs which precede the rapture, therefore, you have nothing to look for. Jesus told His disciples, the founders of the church, what to look for to know that His coming was nigh. This is found in Matt 24-25; Mark 13; and Luke 17 and 21. In this, His second longest discourse, He gives many warnings. You say the warnings are not for the church. You are deceived. Your deception has caused you to fail to communicate these warnings to the church in your sphere of influence. Those you teach eschatology to will be unprepared when this unprecedented persecution comes.

You still have time to help those you love. Ask the Lord to show you the truth and be willing to go where the Scriptures lead you. Wouldn't it be better to hear well done thou good and faithful servant, than to be ashamed at Christ's coming.

Remember, a wise man loveth reproof. He that loves you the most is he who tells you the most truth.

All praise, honour, and glory be unto the Lord Jesus Christ.

[Daniel 11:36]

 "You profess that there are no signs which precede the rapture"

 

There will be no signs before the rapture son .... the event is separate and different from the Lord's coming to the earth at the end of the tribulation period [1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18]

Anyone can see this and you should not be mixing the too events into one return

Do not corrupt the scriptures .... you will pay for it .... no doubt  

 

 

Edited May 19, 2018 by Daniel 11:36

[Steve Conley]

6 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

 "You profess that there are no signs which precede the rapture"

 

There will be no signs before the rapture son .... the event is separate and different from the Lord's coming to the earth at the end of the tribulation period [1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18]

Anyone can see this and you should not be mixing the too events into one return

Do not corrupt the scriptures .... you will pay for it .... no doubt  

 

 

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

(Since you love me so much that you call me son, I'll call you Pops)

Pops, there is only one second coming (parousia). I can show Scriptural support for what I believe, which is something you cannot do. Like the Scribes and Pharisees of Christ's day, you corrupt the Scriptures with your tradition. You have a tradition of the last 150 years, a tradition called "the secret rapture", but you have no support from the Word of God.

The parousia (coming) is the arrival and continuing presence of Christ. Paul spoke of it in reference to the gathering of the church.

1Th 4:15  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming (parousia) of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

He speaks of it again, mentioning that the gathering together unto Christ takes place then.

2Th 2:1  Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming (parousia) of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

Paul goes on to say that the day of Christ (His coming and our rapture) cannot happen until the falling away (a notable departure from the faith) and the revelation of the man of sin which takes place in the middle of the week.

2Th 2:2  That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3  Let no man (Pops, et al) deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5  Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6  And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8  And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9  Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10  And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Any believer that hasn't been persistently brainwashed into the pre-trib system, can see that our gathering (rapture) takes place after the Beast declares himself to be God in the rebuilt temple thereby defiling it, and after there is a marked departure from the faith by professors who are offended when persecution comes and are deceived into worshiping the Beast, by the lying wonders performed by the Beast and false prophet.

Unprecedented persecution comes upon the elect (church)

Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

There will be a falling away

Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

There will be deceivers

Mat 24:11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13  But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus says the unparalleled persecution begins when the abomination of desolation takes place

Mat 24:15  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Mat 24:16  Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17  Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18  Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19  And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The period of unprecedented persecution must be cut short to save some of the elect alive

Mat 24:22  And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Christ's arrival will be unmistakable

Mat 24:23  Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Mat 24:25  Behold, I have told you before.
Mat 24:26  Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Mat 24:27  For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28  For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

The arrival of Christ at His coming will follow the cosmic sign which follows the great tribulation

Mat 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

At His arrival Christ sends the angels to gather the church unto Himself in the clouds

Mat 24:31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Your problem is that you love your lying tradition more than you do the Word of God. You call both Jesus and Paul liars by your reprehensible stubbornness in continuing to proclaim pretribulationism. You will be so ashamed and weep one day because of this, unless you repent. Think of your friends and family, how many of them will be deceived and eternally damned because you gave them false assurance.

Jesus said:

Mat 24:25  Behold, I have told you before.

It's a shame you arn't listening to what He said, and you think yourself a follower of Jesus Christ. Shame, Shame, Shame on you.

All praise, honour, and glory to the Lamb.

[Daniel 11:36]

"Pops, I quote Scripture, and you make unsupported assertions"

 

You quote scripture with your false interpretations

Read your Bible