The Measuring of the Temple

[Last Daze]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

It is not what I Believe, but who or who Israel Believes.

It's neither.  It's what the word of God states to be true.  The new covenant temple of God is the body of Christ (corporately) and each believer (individually).

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

Another problem I see here is what you say is the temple of God or our Indwelling.  Then according to this Scripture; Who is worshiping in you, which people are worshiping in you.  Are you trying to measure God because He is in you. 

I have no idea what you're getting at here.  We are each the temple of God individually because His Spirit dwells within us.  We are also the temple of God collectively because that's where God dwells.  Collectively, we are the body of Christ, the temple of God.  We each individually worship God in how we incorporate His truth into our lives.  The altar is a place of sacrifice and worship.

Some verses to reflect on:

• Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”  The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?” But He was speaking of the temple of His body.  John 2:19-20
• The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.  Acts 17:24
• Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?  If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.  1 Corinthians 3:16-17
• Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?  1 Corinthians 6:19

I don't know how else to say it, Marv.  The old covenant temple has given way to the new covenant temple.  The veil was torn in two and there's no going back.

[Keras]

2 hours ago, Last Daze said:

I don't know how else to say it, Marv.  The old covenant temple has given way to the new covenant temple.  The veil was torn in two and there's no going back.

In this Church age, that is correct, but verses like 2 Thess 2:4, Revelation 11:1, plus many OT references about a new Temple, prove that there will be anther Temple in Jerusalem before Jesus Returns. Only after the Millennium, the Temple will be no longer required. Rev 21:22

Why be adamant about it anyway?  God wanted His people to build Him a Temple twice before and remember; what has happened before were examples and symbols for us, upon whom the end of the age has come. 1 Cor. 10:11

 

[Daniel 11:36]

The next temple of the Lord's will be during the millennial reign [Ezekiel 40]

There will be no temple of the Lord's on the mount during the coming tribulation period [Revelation 11:2]

And Revelation 11:1 is the Lord's temple in heaven 

[wingnut-]

7 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

The next temple of the Lord's will be during the millennial reign [Ezekiel 40]

There will be no temple of the Lord's on the mount during the coming tribulation period [Revelation 11:2]

And Revelation 11:1 is the Lord's temple in heaven 

 

What's your take on II Thessalonians then?

 

II Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

[Daniel 11:36]

"What's your take on II Thessalonians then?"

 

The first verse gives the status of the brethren ..... then the Lord will begin His day of wrath and judgment

[wingnut-]

10 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"What's your take on II Thessalonians then?"

 

The first verse gives the status of the brethren ..... then the Lord will begin His day of wrath and judgment

 

I mean in regards to the anti-christ sitting in the temple of God?  If there is no physical temple, what do you believe this represents?

[Sister]

12 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

It is not what I Believe, but who or who Israel Believes.  One goes from the outer court to the inner court which one will pass the brazen altar and into the Holy of Holies (remember this song for us Christians). 

I will answer your last question here.  We were measured at time of Salvation.  All our good and bad deeds were put on one side of a scale, we were found guilty, bound for the Lake of Fire.  God was on one side of the scale, we were on the other side.  Christ put Himself on our side, God then said Not Guilty.  The real question is, how were all the Believers who have died measured before they died?

One needs to read Ezk 41 and 42.  This is the measuring of the Millennial Temple.  There is an outer court (for the Gentiles), and inner court (for the Jews) and also the Holy of Holies.  Then go to Ezk 43  And I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east... The glory of the Lord entered the temple through the gate facing East.  So we see Jesus Christ entering the Temple, It has an outer court, inner court, and Altar.  When was this Temple that Jesus Christ will enter constructed.  Why would Jesus enter a temple which is not holy?  People are not holy, but He who is in us is Holy.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Montana Marv

 Revelation 11:2   But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

The holy city is Zion.  Zion is where all the God fearing dwell.  It's not just one place, one area, but a spiritual place one comes for truth.

Amongst Zion are those who have come in by the back door and not through the Shepherd.  Those who have come through the Shepherd are at the altar offering sacrifices of the heart (true repentance) and in God's eyes, their worship is perfect, for the Word of God is dwelling in them, and in their heart is where Christ has set up his temple.

Those in the court, who claim God is their saviour and even Christ, will be trampled on by the gentiles, whether they are Jew or Christian.  They will be put through the fire.  I believe those who are serving at the altar are the 144K who follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes.  They are not Jews by blood, but anyone who has a heart for Christ and obeyed him allowing him break down all the strongholds, and take captive all evil imaginations, and vanity, and pride, and every single unclean thing by following his Word and repenting.  Those who kept to the narrow road, and allowed Christ to heal them and feed them producing good fruits and not error of the spirit.

These are those who overcame and are found wearing white robes at the time of this visitation, the Sealing of the 144K, just before the tribulation begins. 

The rest are in the court area.  Those who claim to be under the tent of God.  Unbelievers, Aetheists & heathen are not part of this group inside this boundary area,  but all the luke warm who wanted the Word of God to fit into their lifestyle and not change their own lifestyle to fit with the Word of God and receive complete unity.

No one can claim to be part of this 144K number worshiping at the altar, as it is for Christ to decide which first fruits are his, to be sealed for they are chosen and have made their election sure.  144K is not a lot compared to the whole Christian land, but it is that number for we are told.  This is why we must take our salvation with trembling and fear, hoping to be counted worthy and going over our spiritual walk making sure we have heeded every single commandment of our Lord Jesus Christ in spirit and in truth.

God bless.

 

 

[Montana Marv]

8 minutes ago, Sister said:

I believe those who are serving at the altar are the 144K who follow the Lamb wheresoever he goes.  They are not Jews by blood,

Sister

You are dead wrong.  About the 144,000;  read Rev 7:4-8....  From the tribe of Judah; from the tribe of Reuben.... keep reading to from the tribe of Benjamin.  12,000 from each of the 12 tribes listed.  All bloodlines from Jacob.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Sister]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Sister

You are dead wrong.  About the 144,000;  read Rev 7:4-8....  From the tribe of Judah; from the tribe of Reuben.... keep reading to from the tribe of Benjamin.  12,000 from each of the 12 tribes listed.  All bloodlines from Jacob.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Montana Marv

We know for sure that the 10 tribes were sent to Assyria and intermixed with Gentiles.  From there they scattered throughout the whole earth, and not only that but ventured into new lands and started new nations. When Israel was called back in 1948, they were not just from tribe of Judah and Benjamin.  So you have Samaria today in Israel and throughout the earth.  They are not full blooded Jews but still call Abraham their father.  There are no pure tribes today.  Maybe can prove quite a few generations going back, but hard to go all the way back.  Those who practice Judaism are today's Jews.  They follow the law.  There are Jews that preserved their culture and traditions, but nothing to prove that their bloodlines are pure and that there were no intermarriages or Gentile additions like servants etc.

It boils down to this.  You have to serve the Lord Jesus Christ to be a firstfruit, no matter what bloodline for there is no difference between Jew or Gentile when it comes to Christ, and this is what the bible tells us.  No one being a Jew gets a higher honour than a Gentile that serves Christ.  All are one.  One Lord, One Faith.  All equal.  The ones that get the highest honour are the ones that worship in Christ, in spirit and in truth and are one with the Word of God.  So you have to look at the whole picture to understand who these 144K which are picked from the 12 tribes of the children of Israel to know what this truly means. 

There is physical Israel today yes, and the spiritual Jew who has come into the family of God.  The spiritual Jew is the one who gets the promises because he believes that Jesus is the Son of God and has let him change his heart.  The physical Jew will receive the promises at the Coming, but not eternal life just yet, for the first will be last and the last first.

[Last Daze]

16 hours ago, Keras said:

In this Church age, that is correct, but verses like 2 Thess 2:4, Revelation 11:1, plus many OT references about a new Temple, prove that there will be anther Temple in Jerusalem before Jesus Returns. Only after the Millennium, the Temple will be no longer required. Rev 21:22

Rev 11:1 is a reference to the spiritual temple because people are being measured.  The jury's still out on 2 Thess 2.

When John was instructed to measure the temple of God in Revelation 11, did he report back the measurements?  Yes, he did, but not in distance.  The new covenant temple of God isn't measured in distance.

16 hours ago, Keras said:

Why be adamant about it anyway?  God wanted His people to build Him a Temple twice before and remember; what has happened before were examples and symbols for us, upon whom the end of the age has come. 1 Cor. 10:11

Why?  Because it's new covenant truth .  I'm not aware of any prophecies that talk about another temple structure  until the kingdom of God is established at Christ's return.  If God hasn't revealed it through His prophets, why should we expect it?