The chronological order of end time events

[Daniel 11:36]

"I will keep thee from the time of trial that is coming upon the whole world"

 

This promise the Lord guarantees

Those who enter the coming tribulation must repent in order to be saved [Revelation 3:15-22]

So your idea is not correct .... today's believers of both the dead in Christ and those living at the time will be translated to immortality

.... then the Lord will bring the tribulation period of His wrath and destruction [Revelation 6:12-17]

[n2thelight]

19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Because WE DO RETURN after the Tribulation, see Rev. 19, Jesus AND the Church/Bride returns on White Horses. Why is this so hard ? 

We Marry the Lamb, RETURN on White Horses with Jesus AND the Beast and his Kings are STILL ON EARTH. Its pretty simple stuff.

So when did we leave before the tribulation.

Only those who have died return with Christ,those alive are changed to like those who return.

[Goldie]

Tribulation has been going on since the birth of Christianity. Try telling those persecuted in the early centuries that the tribulation was 1,000s of years away!

[n2thelight]

1 hour ago, Goldie said:

Tribulation has been going on since the birth of Christianity. Try telling those persecuted in the early centuries that the tribulation was 1,000s of years away!

 Been saying that for awhile.

This however will be the tribulation of satan,him pretending to be Christ.

It's all about deception

[Steve Conley]

6 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"I will keep thee from the time of trial that is coming upon the whole world"

 

This promise the Lord guarantees

Those who enter the coming tribulation must repent in order to be saved [Revelation 3:15-22]

So your idea is not correct .... today's believers of both the dead in Christ and those living at the time will be translated to immortality

.... then the Lord will bring the tribulation period of His wrath and destruction [Revelation 6:12-17]

Greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ,

Daniel 11:36, you are correct that the church is not appointed unto wrath. We will not experience the wrath of God. Rev 3:10 speaks of that great truth.

Rev 3:10  Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

However, you are confusing "the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world" with the unprecedented persecution, or as Jesus called it, "great tribulation" which will come upon the elect (church) and Israel. The ending of the verse ("to try them that dwell upon the earth") makes it clear that this testing is the beginning of the day of the Lord, and God's wrath upon the earth dwellers therein, and not Daniel's unprecedented "time of trouble" or Christ's "great tribulation".

Concerning your statement "Those who enter the coming tribulation must repent in order to be saved [Revelation 3:15-22]". It appears as if you are implying that repentance isn't necessary now, but it will be during the great tribulation. All true faith involves repentance regardless what dispensation it is in. The faith which saves is not a mental consent to a string of propositions; it is living confidence in a personal Saviour. Today, one must repent to be saved.

Act 20:21  Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Act 26:20  But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

All praise, honour, and glory be unto Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

The End of the Age Diagram March 2018.pdf

[Quasar93]

8 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

So it sounds like you are saying that the church (the bride) won't go thru the Great Tribulation? Is this correct?

Is the Bride greater than the Groom?

Was Christs' persecution, torture and death on the cross the wrath of God, or the wrath of Satan?

Jesus the Groom was delivered in the hands of His persecutors by God the Father himself, to be perfected through ultimate obedience and perseverance in remaining loving, even in suffering and martyrdom.

So will his followers, the Bride, be delivered into the hands of the Beast and his followers by God the Father himself. Also to be perfected through ultimate obedience and perseverance in remaining loving, also in suffering and death.

Only then Groom and Bride will become a perfect match.

Let not our love grow cold, not even in the face of difficult times ahead, not though we are faced with hatred and persecution.

 

Review my thread, "The Biblical Teachings of the Pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church," in the Prophecy forum for answers to your questions.

 

 

Quasar93

Edited April 19, 2018 by Quasar93

[Mike Mclees]

9 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"where is the 2 raptures. Listen I was a pre trb in the Assemblies of God for 7 years You have not identified 2 raptures. No time frame it. prove your ideal. You are taught assumptions and presumptions but no smoking gun. where is your evidence. I am not done yet . I will be back"

 

Good luck with your gibberish 

I see you have then no defense  of what you believe. No foundation for your claim. How is it that you believe it. Have you ever tried to establish the truth of it or you just take the word of men who misuse scripture  to create false doctrine. Gibberish indeed.  

[Still Alive]

4 hours ago, n2thelight said:

 Been saying that for awhile.

This however will be the tribulation of satan,him pretending to be Christ.

It's all about deception

There has been tribulation, but this will be "the great" tribulation. And I see it as the wrath of Satan against the body of Christ, and lasting 3.5 years. Then comes the rapture (Rev 7 after the sealing), followed by 3.5 years of the Wrath of God against every single soul left on the planet.

 

IMO

[Daniel 11:36]

"Concerning your statement "Those who enter the coming tribulation must repent in order to be saved [Revelation 3:15-22]". It appears as if you are implying that repentance isn't necessary now, but it will be during the great tribulation"

 

Repentance is always necessary son .... now, or for those who enter the coming tribulation period

If you do enter you must repent in order to be saved   

[Mike Mclees]

1 hour ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"Concerning your statement "Those who enter the coming tribulation must repent in order to be saved [Revelation 3:15-22]". It appears as if you are implying that repentance isn't necessary now, but it will be during the great tribulation"

 

Repentance is always necessary son .... now, or for those who enter the coming tribulation period

If you do enter you must repent in order to be saved   

 

repentance of what? 

Revelation 15 King James Version (KJV)

15 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

² And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

 

Do these look like they needed to repent of anything. They are being honored by God for suffering the antichrist and did not lose their faith.  They were the ones who were tried and true in the fire.The ones you do not see here are those who arrogantly  say they would not suffer. An insult to all who have already suffered since the church was born.  If the pre saints were more honorable then these why don't we them here? How did they get there just before the wrath of God to be poured out.  I will tell you they got there because they were the bride.

 

 

Lets note Rev 15

 

Edited April 19, 2018 by Mike Mclees